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Oil Degradation Reset Tool

Dear Forum Members,

I am about to get my 2009 1.9 Mjet serviced by a local established independent tomorrow and have read much on here about service reset and oli degradation counter issues.

I came across a Sealey product VS8623 which seems to suggest that it can do the service and counter reset and wondered if anyone had used one before and if it would work for a 2009 model as the technical information states 2001-2006. I have emailed Sealey just in case the documentation is out of date.

Any help / advice welcomed.

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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

Check out fiatecuscan !

All you need is a laptop, a cheap ELM327 adapter cable and the free version (according to support list no full version needed for reset) of the software.
It's useful for further use and gets you a lot of information about your little car
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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

Quote Originally Posted by malibu_2004 View Post
Check out fiatecuscan !

All you need is a laptop, a cheap ELM327 adapter cable and the free version (according to support list no full version needed for reset) of the software.
It's useful for further use and gets you a lot of information about your little car
Hi Malibu,

Thank you for the link I have emailed them to ask if the current version of the software will perform the reset for a 2009 1.9 MultiJet 120 as I can't find it in the list.

If anyone else has changed the oil on this model and managed to reset the counter please advise.

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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

An update from Sealey in case anyone is interested.

"After checking with the manufacturer they confirm this is only suitable for 01-06 and not 09 !

Unfortunately we have nothing else in the range at the moment !"

I have not yet heard back from ECUScan but have come across a Sykes-Pickavant device so I will be contacting them.

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An update from a really helpful guy at Sykes-Pickavant as follows:

"We are sure that we cover the 1.9 multi-jet system on the Fiat's. But we cannot find the exact match for your VIN number and a 1.9 Multi Jet engine on the Fiat tester. We have tested a 120BHP 1.9 Multi-jet engine on a Grande Punto with complete success."

Can any of you more knowledgeable technicians/enthusiasts confirm if the two engines are similar enough for this to be a possibility?

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PS - Not heard back from FiatEcuScan yet but have posted a question on their forum
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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

not many 1.9 GP's with dpf about though.
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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

Thank you T, I did go back to SP and enquire as to whether their GP had a DPF and they replied with the following :-

"Hi Peter,

If your car has a service light and a oil degradation light then your car will have a DPF fitted. Your ECU will have to check the condition of the oil in the engine when a DPF filter is fitted in the exhaust, so when this light comes on in the dash a oil change is required. This is separate from the service interval.

We are confident that our tool will turn the oil degradation light out on your Doblo."


From some of the other posts I have searched I understand that there is some sort of counter that captures the number of times a regen has happened and assesses the oil quality based on that. In turn when fresh oil is put in you need to reset the counter otherwise it has no means of knowing. So if I have not misunderstood the other posts it is not a light that needs extinguishing but a counter that needs resetting. Can anyone confirm if I am on the right track with this at all as I am sure there must be a few people who change their own oil etc. on a 120 MultiJet?

I bought my car at the beginning of the year and it had only covered about 5k miles at the time in its first year. I have added a further 10k to it in the last 4 months and almost all the miles a motorway or dual carriageway so I am not sure when I might have been prompted for an oil change.

Any comments, observations welcome and thanks in advance

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PS - No response on the Fiat ECU Scan product yet either
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Hi All,

Progress on this has been a little slow of late as I was 'rear ended' by a Transit pickup a month ago and it has taken the repairers rather a long time to source the rear wheels, tyres and offside back window but all done now.

As a slight aside when the tinted offside rear window broke it literally shattered into 1'000s pieces - fortunately no-one was hurt but I was really lucky not to have the dogs with me at the time - I was sort of expecting it to shatter like a windscreen tough.

Anyway, the car is back now and I had the following reply from Yani at Fiat ECUScan.

"Yes, you can definitely clear the annual service reminder with current version of FiatECUScan.

I’m not very sure about the Oil degradation as I’m not sure exactly which type of engine/ECU your car has. It is either “Bosch EDC16C39 CF4” or “Bosch EDC16C39 CF5”. The 1st one is currently supported by FiatECUScan and you can reset Oil degradation, but the 2nd one is not supported yet. It will be supported soon... so if you have this engine then watch for future releases.

You can also download the free version of FiatECUScan and use the “Scan” function to scan your vehicle and find out which type of engine ECU you have.
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With this in mind I have bought a USB connectable ODBKey reader and will hopefully soon be able to report some progress.

At the moment, the Fiat Doblo 1.9 Multijet is not listed as an available vehicle in the software and reading the forums it looks as though you have to try a few other models and see which matches best - I will start with the 1.9 JTD and would welcome any other suggestions if any readers have connected their 1.9 MultiJets to this software.

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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

I'm an early FiatECUScan user (and a site moderator) and Yani and FiatECUScan is the way to go for any Fiat / Alfa vehicle.

The biggest problems with some 'clone' KKL and ELM hardware devices (especially the cheap Chinese devices) is bad, intermittant or iffy connections to the cars systems.

I would recommend anybody/all to look at Gendan.co.uk for your hardware AND CABLES!
I've used their kit for a very long time now and have had no problems or issues.

Suggest everybody thinking of getting their own diagnostic kit/software (regardless of make) look at the FiatECUScan forum and espcially those threads related to getting some/many cheap ELM devices connecting properly
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Re: Oil Degradation Reset Tool

Personally I don't have a problem with any software but if the oil deg is reset it must be because the oil was changed & not just to put light out to sell the car.
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Personally I don't have a problem with any software but if the oil deg is reset it must be because the oil was changed & not just to put light out to sell the car.
Absolutely CORRECT!

As we both know, especially with DPF equiped cars, correct oil change and correct associated resetting is absolutely essential. Failure to comply will eventually result in very expensive tears.

I find peoples desire for 'cheap' or to even 'bypass' recommend/required service requirements a total lunacy and ultimately a very expensive failure. Sadly I guess the expected expensive failure hits the person who just recently bought the car.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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I think the rule here is when you buy a second hand car with DPF, change the oil straight away! (and take this cost into account when making a offer)
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I had oil degraded message on my "new" purchase.. however after a couple of good motorway runs and an injector cleaner.. it now only says.." change oil" which is an improvement of sorts anyway.. waiting for my scanning hardware so I can see what these messages really mean.!
Interesting point is when the fuel is low and the low fuel light is on I do not get any of these annoying messages!
Particularly annoying is the "ABS EBD turn off engine" intermittent ones!
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it now only says.." change oil" which is an improvement of sorts anyway(
change the oil then.
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change the oil then.
Its only 1 month old and done 2k miles!
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