Hello all well i've read up on the new cleaner Bio- Diesel which one of my local garages is now selling, so i put in my usual £20-00 worth and give it a go . The only thing the information letter advised me on is to possibly change the fuel filter as Bio-Diesel will remove the coating of varnish that is left behind in the fuel tank and fuel pipes by conventional diesel. Theres no difference at all in performance and fuel economy is the same , but i get more fuel so its more economical. Im running an aspirated 1.9 diesel engine with no turbo fitted. It is possible to run on pure Veg Oil but you need the engine converting inline fuel heater bigger pipes etc ,problem with Veg it doesnt like common rail diesel engines and certain fuel pumps dont like the viscosity of it. Ill keep you posted if any problems occur, hopefully they wont.
Technical Running on Bio Diesel
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Technical Running on Bio Diesel
I didn't realize 'till recently that most garages that sell bio-diesel are selling a mix that only contains about 5 to 10% veg oil. The rest is normal mineral diesel.
And, not only but also, in France, most, if not all garages, sell this mix with about 10% veg oil in it.
That means when we went to France on our hols we were running on so-called bio diesel for 3 weeks.
Never had any problems at all.
Read this
And, not only but also, in France, most, if not all garages, sell this mix with about 10% veg oil in it.
That means when we went to France on our hols we were running on so-called bio diesel for 3 weeks.
Never had any problems at all.
Read this
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Sophisticated modern Diesels can tolerate these levels of Bio-Diesel, but not more.
The problem with Bio-Diesel is that we are destroying rainforests to grow the palm trees to supply it, and the net saving to the planet is worse than nil. So it is NOT a green solution - in case anyone out there thought that it might be.
Also, the world's grain stocks are at the lowest levels for forty years, the world population is 6.5 billion and rising (it was 3 billion in 1950) - fed by a fertiliser and pesticide regimen based on hydrocarbons - and everyone wants to drive a car...and new oil discoveries are not meeting current demand, let alone projected wants. So we have a problem here. Even if all the agricultural and forest land in the world was given over totally to bio-fuel production there would not be sufficient supply to meet current world needs - and we'd be a bit hungry
Oh, and oil shales and tar sands are not viable solutions either.
Sorry to rant, but sometimes the media gives the impression that bio-fuels are the answer to global warming, stressed oil production and probably a cure for cancer too. Not so, sadly
The problem with Bio-Diesel is that we are destroying rainforests to grow the palm trees to supply it, and the net saving to the planet is worse than nil. So it is NOT a green solution - in case anyone out there thought that it might be.
Also, the world's grain stocks are at the lowest levels for forty years, the world population is 6.5 billion and rising (it was 3 billion in 1950) - fed by a fertiliser and pesticide regimen based on hydrocarbons - and everyone wants to drive a car...and new oil discoveries are not meeting current demand, let alone projected wants. So we have a problem here. Even if all the agricultural and forest land in the world was given over totally to bio-fuel production there would not be sufficient supply to meet current world needs - and we'd be a bit hungry
Oh, and oil shales and tar sands are not viable solutions either.
Sorry to rant, but sometimes the media gives the impression that bio-fuels are the answer to global warming, stressed oil production and probably a cure for cancer too. Not so, sadly
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Two garages in Liverpool sell 100% veg oil. I use it when passing by but quite often it is sold out.
Now, I'm assuming you are running a non-turbo, non-multi-jet engine. In which case it'll run fine on veggieoil.
A new multi-jet would manage, in warm weather, until its injectors bunged up and general seizure set in. Modern fuels are very carefully blended with the additives necessary for the latest engines.
A new multi-jet would manage, in warm weather, until its injectors bunged up and general seizure set in. Modern fuels are very carefully blended with the additives necessary for the latest engines.
I was looking into this the other day. Tescos were boasting about how many of their delivery fleet were running on bio fuel so I asked them if they actually sold the stuff.
They sent me a list of their forecourts that sold a 5% mix at 1p/litre above the cost of normal diesel
The robbing swines.
Bio diesel is heaps cheaper than ordinary so a 5% mix should show some discount above ordinary.
According to the websites I've looked at, all modern diesels are capable of running on a mix - and why not? the original diesel engine was displayed running on peanut oil (I think), it was only the oil companies who mass produced the crap that we pour into our engines now, forcing us to think that only their expensive stuff will work and yet, as these engines work by igniting oil using the heat of compression, any oil capable of igniting under heat should work.
They sent me a list of their forecourts that sold a 5% mix at 1p/litre above the cost of normal diesel
The robbing swines.
Bio diesel is heaps cheaper than ordinary so a 5% mix should show some discount above ordinary.
According to the websites I've looked at, all modern diesels are capable of running on a mix - and why not? the original diesel engine was displayed running on peanut oil (I think), it was only the oil companies who mass produced the crap that we pour into our engines now, forcing us to think that only their expensive stuff will work and yet, as these engines work by igniting oil using the heat of compression, any oil capable of igniting under heat should work.
Yes, most sources I've read say to use a mix all year round (for the common rail diesels) and to increase the amount of diesel as winter comes to help the bio ignite.
I remember the good old days of diesels, watching truckers on the M62 lighting fires under their tanks because their fuel had 'waxed' - and standing well back as the inevitable happened to many
Its got a Veg oil smell but there is additives or normal diesel mixed in its quite a lot cheaper than normal diesel ,thats the only reason i bought it. Its ridiculous paying between 93.9p and 97.9 p per litre . I usually spend about £50-00 a week on fuel so at 84.9 p per litre i thought id give it a go. Gas is the ultimate fuel at 45p a litre megga saving. And yes i'm running a non turbo non multi jet bog standard diesel engine a 1.9D so should be ok. I went to our local cash and carry last week to price up Pure Veg Oil theres a big saving, works out at £11-00 for 25 litres 44p per litre. But costs about £300-£400 for a proper Veg conversion. Built in heater more tolerant Pump and bigger fuel pipes also a lot pf people were unsure of the long term effects of running on pure veg to the engine,injectors etc so ill stick with the Bio
there's a thread on this in the marea tech section, apparantly you can run a jtd on new vegioil without a conversion kit if you use a couple of aditives, i run my punto jtd on a 90% bio diesel mix
https://www.fiatforum.com/marea-technical/109106-bio-diesel.html
My interest started when I noticed a link to an old thread with input from angeltuning.
I have to say, I've not noticed biodiesel advertised on forecourts - nothing makes the pump stand out from the rest.
From Tesco...
We currently sell Global Diesel - a Diesel blend containing 5% bio Diesel. With regards to the price of our fuel - It is priced at 1 ppl above standard Diesel.
I have provided with the requested details:
ABERDEEN
ABINGDON EXTRA
ADDLESTONE
ALDERSHOT
ALLERTON ROAD
ALLOA
AMERSHAM
ANDOVER
ASHFORD CROOKSFOOT
ASHFORD MIDDLESEX
ASHFORD PARK FARM
AYLESBURY 2
AYR
B2 LANGDON HILL
BALDOCK EXTRA
BANGOR EXTRA
BAR HILL CAMBS EXTRA
BARKING
BARKINGSIDE
BARNSLEY
BASILDON 1
BASINGSTOKE
BATHGATE
BATLEY EXTRA
BEDFORD 1
BEDFORD 2
BICESTER 2
BIDSTON MOSS EXTRA
BISHOPS STORTFORD
BLANDFORD FORUM
BOGNOR
BOREHAMWOOD EXTRA
BOSTON
BOURNEMOUTH EXTRA
BRACKNELL NORTH
BRAINTREE GRT NOTLEY
BRENT CROSS
BRENT PARK
BRIDGEND 1
BRIDGEND 2
BRIDLINGTON
BRISLINGTON
BRISTOL 3
BRISTOL EAST EXTRA
BROADSTAIRS EXTRA
BROMLEY BY BOW
BROOKLANDS EXTRA
BUCKINGHAM
BURGESS HILL
BURSLEDON TOWERS
BURY ST EDMUNDS
CARDIFF EXTRA
CARDIFF PENGAM GREEN
CHELMSFORD 2
CHELTENHAM
CHESHUNT EXTRA
CHESTER BROUGHTON RD
CHESTERFIELD
CHICHESTER EXTRA
CHORLEY EXTRA
CIRENCESTER EXTRA
CLACTON
CLEETHORPES EXTRA
CLEVEDON
COLCHESTER 2
COLCHESTER EXTRA
COLNEY HATCH
CRAWLEY HAZELWICK
CREWE
CULVERHOUSE CROSS
CUMBERNAULD EXTRA
DEREHAM
DIDCOT
DONCASTER EXTRA
DOVER
DUNDEE EXTRA
DUNFERMLINE
DUNSTABLE
EARLHAM RD NORWCH EXP
EASTBOURNE EXTRA
ELMERS END
ELY
FAVERSHAM
FELTHAM
FELTHAM DUKES GREEN
FLITWICK
FORMBY
FROGWELL CHIPPNHM EXP
GALLIONS REACH EXTRA
GARFORTH
GATWICK EXTRA
GILLINGHAM KENT
GLASGOW SHETTLESTON
GLASGOW ST ROLLOX
GLOUCESTER
GLOUCESTER 2
GOODMAYES EXTRA
GREAT DUNMOW
GREAT YARMOUTH EXTRA
GREENOCK
HARLOW CHURCH LANGLEY
HARLOW EDINBURGH WAY
HASTINGS
HATFIELD
HAVANT LANGSTONE HARB
HAYES BULLS B/DGE EXT
HEMEL HEMPSTEAD
HINDLEY
HOLYHEAD
HORSHAM
HULL
HUNSTANTON
HUNTINGDON 2
HYTHE
IPSWICH EXTRA
KETTERING
KINGS LYNN
LAKESIDE EXTRA
LEA VALLEY EXTRA
LEATHERHEAD
LEEDS RD ROTHWELL EXP
LEEDS SEACROFT EXTRA
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
LEWES
LEWISHAM
LEYLAND EXTRA
LINCOLN 2
LITTLEHAMPTON
LLANDUDNO JUNCTION
LONGFORD EXP
LOWESTOFT 2
LUNSFORD PARK EXTRA
M K KINGSTON EXTRA
MAIDSTONE GROVE GREEN
MALDON
MANSFIELD
MARTLESHAM EXTRA
MEIR
MILTON
MILTON KEY BLETCH EXT
MILTON KEYNES WOLVERT
MOLD
NAILSEA
NEATH ABBEY
NEW MALDEN EXTRA
NEW OLLERTON
NEWBURY EXTRA
NEWMARKET
NEWPORT 1 GWENT
NEWPORT GWENT EXTRA
NORBURY EXP
NORTHAMPTON SOUTH EXT
NORWICH EXTRA
NORWICH HARFORD BRIDG
OSTERLEY
OXFORD 2
P/MOUTH NTH HARB EXT
PENARTH
PETERBOROUGH EXTRA
PITSEA EXTRA
PONDERS END
PONTADOWE
PONYTPRIDD
POOLE 3 FLEETS CNR
POOLE 4 BRANKSOME
POOLE EXTRA
PORT TALBOT
PORTHMADOG
POTTERS BAR
PRESCOT EXTRA
PURLEY EXTRA
QUEDGELEY
RAINHAM ESSEX EXTRA
RAMSGATE MANSTON
READING EXTRA
ROMFORD EXTRA
ROMFORD GALLWS CN EXT
SAFFRON WALDEN
SALISBURY 2
SANDHURST EXTRA
SCUNTHORPE EXTRA
SEVENOAKS RIVERHEAD
SHEERNESS
SHEFFIELD ABBEYDALE
SHOREHAM
SIDCUP
SLOUGH WELLINGTON EXT
SOUTHAMPTON
SOUTHEND
SOUTHPORT EXTRA
SOUTHWARK
ST HELENS
ST MELLONS
ST NEOTS
STALHAM
STEVENAGE EXTRA
STOCKPORT
STOKE
STOWMARKET
STROUD
SUDBURY
SUNBURY EXTRA
SURREY QUAYS
SUTTON-CHEAM PK FARM
SWANSEA EXTRA
SWINDON EXTRA
TALBOT GREEN
THORNBURY
TWICKENHAM
TWYFORD RD ESTLG EXP
WARRINGTON
WATFORD EXTRA
WELLINGBOROUGH 2
WEST DURRINGTON
WESTON FAVELL EXTRA
WESTON SUPER MARE
WHITSTABLE EXTRA
WIGAN ATHERTON
WIGAN EXTRA
WINCHESTER
WINTERBOURNE EXP
WISBECH
WOOTTON RD K LYNN EXP
WORKSOP
WREXHAM EXTRA
YEADING EXTRA
YORK EXTRA
YORK TADCASTER RD EXT
YSTRAD MYNACH
So, 5% secret ingredient (probably their value cooking oil) and 95% ordinary diesel?
If they priced it 1p/litre LESS than ordinary diesel, it'd be worth it but to shove in a cheap ingredient & up the price is simply tightfistedness.
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The problem with Bio-Diesel is that we are destroying rainforests to grow the palm trees to supply it, and the net saving to the planet is worse than nil. So it is NOT a green solution - in case anyone out there thought that it might be.
Also, the world's grain stocks are at the lowest levels for forty years, the world population is 6.5 billion and rising (it was 3 billion in 1950) - fed by a fertiliser and pesticide regimen based on hydrocarbons - and everyone wants to drive a car...and new oil discoveries are not meeting current demand, let alone projected wants. So we have a problem here. Even if all the agricultural and forest land in the world was given over totally to bio-fuel production there would not be sufficient supply to meet current world needs - and we'd be a bit hungry
Oh, and oil shales and tar sands are not viable solutions either.
Sorry to rant, but sometimes the media gives the impression that bio-fuels are the answer to global warming, stressed oil production and probably a cure for cancer too. Not so, sadly
It is true that large swathes of rainforest are destroyed in order to produce palm oil and this is a terrible loss. However, the rainforest is not the most efficient biome at producing oxygen (and converting carbon dioxde) that there can be. (Largely because the trees block out light from the forest floor and starve other plants of light) Some grasslands are more efficient than the rainforest (among other biomes). The GREEN lobby tries to tell everyone that the rainforests provide vital oxygen which cannot be produced if they are not there any more. It could be produced by the alternative plant life and maybe just as efficiently.
The real loss when the rainforest is destroyed is the ecosystem, the habitat and the animals that live there.
Bio fuels are not the answer as you say, for the very reason that you say (we would starve). I'm sorry if I seem to rant.
I think I need to get back into the classroom (Geog teacher) and stop procrastinating about getting a job.
Don't get me started on Global Warming...
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I watched one of these wildlife programs recently which said that the biggest producer of oxygen was some sort of algae which forms in the sea.
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Hi joined this forum hoping to get some advice. I have a Fiat Ductao 2.8 non turbo diesel camper conversion,registered 08/05/2000. A friend runs her old merc camper on vegtable oil and saves a fortune compared to diesel, smells like a chip van mind. I would love to run mine on veg oil but not sure if its compatable. Can anyone tell me how i can find out please, or what if any conversion it would need.
