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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

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Have you tried Mangoletsi in Cheshire, this is were we got ours for our first 05 plate Croma.
Just an update:-have had to plump for a new outside shaft from Mangoletsi but the cost is 300 new with no exchange or 228 recon with an exchange deposit on top!! The price for a complete new shaft is about 500

Europarts have not been very helpful, they show the part on the website as special order but they say the only way they can do it is to send mine away for recon to there suppliers ?!! How long said I, could be a few days or a couple of weeks!!!!

Anyone got any clue why they want one back for a recon unit but not for a new unit? I can see a scenario where we may be getting shafts refurbished a couple of times which is hardly fair.

To me this "problem" of the wearing spidex is being turned into an earner for Fiat just as the air mass sensor has been in the past also the ERG valve.

Ok Rant over.
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

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Can anyone please tell me what this wobble is?

My other half complains that our steering wobbles. I'd just put it down to the 18" wheels and low-profile tyres. It's just a bit of a rumble through your hands - I hardly notice generally. It's the same at all speeds.

Just wondering whether it should be doing this or not.
Our first Croma started at 55mph - 65mph then went away. Then was 68,000 miles on clock. Yes we thought wheels out of balance but as were may of been the first to get this issue. Fiat did acknowledge it, then rejected it. It was the driveshafts as the Gearbox was a Vectra C box, ie 6 speed. and the fiat drive shafts just cobbled togethert to fit.

Our current Croma, have not had the issue yet....Only 34,000 at mo.
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Sounds like front anti-roll bar bushes to me. Not the most pleasant of jobs but you can do it with ordinary bi-hex spanners if required. For more info have a look on www.vectra-c.com and if you decide you need some, let me know - someone on here sold me their genuine Fiat ones a while back; they don't fit my 2.4 however they should fit the others, I can give you the part numbers if required. Guarantee you won't find genuine Fiat ARB bushes cheaper anywhere else
You may find that the Croma 2.4 ARB bushes are the same for the Alfa 156 2.4? Reason I say, is when I changed mine on my former 2005 156 2.4Mjet the packaging box had 156 04-06 and Croma 05 -08 on the box.
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

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Just an update:-have had to plump for a new outside shaft from Mangoletsi but the cost is 300 new with no exchange or 228 recon with an exchange deposit on top!! The price for a complete new shaft is about 500

Europarts have not been very helpful, they show the part on the website as special order but they say the only way they can do it is to send mine away for recon to there suppliers ?!! How long said I, could be a few days or a couple of weeks!!!!

Anyone got any clue why they want one back for a recon unit but not for a new unit? I can see a scenario where we may be getting shafts refurbished a couple of times which is hardly fair.

To me this "problem" of the wearing spidex is being turned into an earner for Fiat just as the air mass sensor has been in the past also the ERG valve.

Ok Rant over.
They bore out original and shrink fit a new insert that will increase lifespan over original material...Thinkl that what happend to ours.
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

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Just an update:-have had to plump for a new outside shaft from Mangoletsi but the cost is 300 new with no exchange or 228 recon with an exchange deposit on top!! The price for a complete new shaft is about 500

Europarts have not been very helpful, they show the part on the website as special order but they say the only way they can do it is to send mine away for recon to there suppliers ?!! How long said I, could be a few days or a couple of weeks!!!!

Anyone got any clue why they want one back for a recon unit but not for a new unit? I can see a scenario where we may be getting shafts refurbished a couple of times which is hardly fair.

To me this "problem" of the wearing spidex is being turned into an earner for Fiat just as the air mass sensor has been in the past also the ERG valve.

Ok Rant over.
If we get this problem with the drive shafts with our 2nd Croma we will be using either of the following below :

http://www.jandrcvjoints.co.uk/index.php

or

http://www.carparts-direct.co.uk/?i=...&ii=381469&p=1

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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

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They bore out original and shrink fit a new insert that will increase lifespan over original material...Thinkl that what happend to ours.
This has just made me feel a lot better as if there is any "boring out" on refurb it will have a lot less hardness as I can see on the new one there is a flame hardened surface on the CV joint inner surface . This means that the any removal of metal will reduce the eventual hardness of this area.
Another "funny" thing is that the new drive shaft came in a Fiat box but on closer inspection there is an ID which is GKN!!! and a load of numbers. Now call me jaundiced if you like but surely the increased cost of the Fiat V Vauxhall wouldnt have anything to do with it being made in Birmingham and shipped to Turin and back would it? I rang the dealer and got a bit of the deaf ear treatment, which leads me to believe i may be correct in my suspitions.
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Sounds like front anti-roll bar bushes to me. Not the most pleasant of jobs but you can do it with ordinary bi-hex spanners if required. For more info have a look on www.vectra-c.com and if you decide you need some, let me know - someone on here sold me their genuine Fiat ones a while back; they don't fit my 2.4 however they should fit the others, I can give you the part numbers if required. Guarantee you won't find genuine Fiat ARB bushes cheaper anywhere else
Thanks for all of the information. Having done a bit of further research I finally got the chance to jack the car up the other day and I'm fairly sure it is the ARB bushes. I've browsed a few other forums and the combination of a bit of lubrication together with the warmer weather seems to have virtually eliminated the problem for now. I'll probably get them done soon in any case - I've found a good local independant so I'll take it there as I think its a but byond my limited limited mechanical skills at present.
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

Just so you know mine started the 40 mph wobble at 23K miles three years ago. It has now done 60K miles. However the wobble has now shifted from 40 mph to 75 mph and is now quite a bit worse.

So maybe time to do something about it.
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

I brought a Croma 1.9td 150hp that had done 66,000 miles 7 weeks ago, it seemed like a good deal as it has already had 3 drive shafts replaced with Fiat reconditioned units, (1 new inner d/shaft and 2 Fiat recon outer drive shafts). In order to cure the wobble that still existed after these 3 shafts had been fitted its cost me another 800.

Bascially these Croma 1.9 drive shafts are rubbish, furthermore I suggest you dont buy fiat re-conditioned shafts because they are also rubbish. Lets put it like this, if you put together a new Fiat n/s inner drive shaft, together with a re-conditoned Fiat out drive shaft you would expect them to be perfect would'nt you, but mine were not, there was still considerable play, enough to cause the wobble.

I could write pages & payes on this, but to sum up I would say dont buy a 1.9 Croma unless its already had replacement drive shafts and there is no sign of the wobble. Fiat Uk dont want to know and dont accept there is a problem. After owning 3 tempras, a Marea, and a stilo, I think this will be my last Fiat ! How they can sell a car with defective drive shafts beats me !
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

Its been a while now since I started this thread and can count myself lucky to have read the other threads on drive shaft probs as soon as mine started wobbling. When i had the outer shaft changed I was able to measure the play in the spider bearings on the new v old ones. I found that the play was only marginally more on the old one. I fully expected there to be much much more.
The local independent who changed the shaft was the one who found that the grease had been thrown out of the joint onto the engine under shield and he has put thicker grease in now which will stay put, we hope, as the large dia of the gaiter is shaped to fit exactly around the female of the short shaft and can possibly work loose .
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

Just to add a little balance against the gloom, mine has done 80k and hasn't had any driveshafts replaced, and no wobble.

No doubt I'll be struck down by the wobble as soon as I type this.
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Just to add a little balance against the gloom, mine has done 80k and hasn't had any driveshafts replaced, and no wobble.

No doubt I'll be struck down by the wobble as soon as I type this.
You are not alone; 81,000 on original driveshafts; as confirmed by the Fiat dealer who I used to work for, they checked the whole warranty & recall history on mine & during its initial 3 yr warranty period very little was done under warranty & only major item done since was water pump & timing belt kit at 58,000 miles!
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Re: 40MPH Wobble Warning

I think one has to be careful when trying to identify wheel wobble.

The wheel position is basically locked at what ever position the steering column is at.

If driveshaft joints are worn then they will transmit vibrations into the hub but if the lower hub swivel joint is OK and the steering ball joints and steering rack are ok then mild to medium driveshaft wobble should not introduce much, if any, wheel wobble.

Of course there are limits/margins to be taken into account but it is still too easy to take the wrong path in diagnosis. It is often difficult to determine cause and effect issues.

Normally drive shaft / CV joint wear will produce clicking/grumbling/noise on full steering lock for outer CV joints. For inner VC joints which have to handle less acute angles then drumming and "clacking/backlash/play" is more to be expected.

Any combination of streeing/ball joint play, driveshaft play, etc can result in wheel wobble but the trick/art is to identify the major player and not just assume.

Often easier said than done!
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Hi All,

Our Croma 1.9 (150) developed severe wheel wobble recently.

My local MoT garage is a Renault specialist, but as soon as he took the car for a Test Drive he remarked how it felt just like a common problem on the Renault Laguna and this was caused by the driveshaft coupling.

Up on the ramp and the problem was confirmed as well as pretty shot Bottom Ball Joints.

Now, he has quoted me 150 for a Reconditioned Driveshaft which appears to be a bargain compared with the prices above.

Oh, and by the way, our Croma is currently indicating just over 116,000 miles on the clock and we only recently noticed the Wobble/Shimmy.

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Hi Guys,

I've had my croma just over a week now and its got the wobble that starts about 37 and then gradually dissappears as you drive faster.

I noticed it on the test drive and the garage said they would sort it.

Picked the car up and it still did it. Parts are hopefully on order and I should get it sorted next week (under warranty).

A friend of mine had a Citroen Xara estate and had to replace the front springs for exacly the same issue.

I have some old bills with the car I have bought and it looks like the front springs have been replaced.
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