Might save mine as well!

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I reckon the judge wouldl choke on his drink of water before putting you away for one of the following:

Being too stupid and gullable
or
(more likely) copyright theft

lol

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I have dialup so can't download films or anything big but I do use p2p for music. Mostly weird and wonderful old tracks that are otherwise impossible to buy. And if it makes you photoshop-less people feel any better I don't have it: I rely on paintshop pro and picture it, rarely need to do anything more exciting than what they offer.

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Photoshop is worth is every penny.

I use it every day of my life, and can see its worth that much - It's an amzing tool.

Trouble is, I couldn't justify the expense. I only tend to download pics from my camera, use 'picture it' to change and crop a few things, then print out the photos. Suits me!!!



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It's no wonder that out of the 10 people I asked today with photoshop, zero had it legally! I then realised I am the only one in the year without photoshop lol.

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thats why it £500 the people who buy it are also paying for those who nick it. bit like car insurance.

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How weird that we all hate insurance fraudsters yet the majority steal from software companies, i have never thought about comparing the two.

I also couldn't justify such an expense either, I couldn't justify more than £50 for any software I don't believe, and for £50 I better be getting something darn good lol. A lot of people I believe have photoshop as a "just incase I want it" piece of software.

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do they do a student licence copy cheeper maybe, like microsoft do?

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The reason they try to fleece you for £500 is that they know only a few people (mainly businesses) pay it and everyone else gets it illegally. You might say well if they charge a reasonable price people would pay it but to be fair to them they know full well that that's not true and people will still copy it illegally. It's a rediculous state of affairs but that's the world today.

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'fleece you for it' haha like it

do you honestly think that the raw materials on a car are worth its price tag? no of course you not, you pay for the r&d that has gone into it. Software is not easy to make. Photoshop is complex useful bit of kit, its used in industry. If you look at it and think its not worth more than £50 than you're not the kind of user that its aimed at.




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And i agree I am not the type of user it is aimed at, but again I am a potential user, maybe a "lite" version would be better for people like me.

However, they do fleece you, at least in the case of Adobe:

I quote: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0%2C39020384%2C39118510%2C00.htm

The company reported net income of $83.3m (£47.8m), or 35 cents a share, for the final quarter of fiscal 2003, which ended on 28 November. That compares with income of $40.1m, or 17 cents a share, in the same period a year ago.


Excluding one-time charges, Adobe reported earnings of $83m, or 34 cents a share. On that basis, estimates from analysts research firm First Call polled averaged 32 cents a share.


Revenue for the quarter was $358.6m, compared with $294.7m a year ago.


For the year, Adobe reported revenue of $1.29bn, up from $1.17bn in 2002. Net income for the year was $266.3m, or $1.10 a share, compared with $191.4m, or 79 cents a share, in 2002.

I.e. they made a revenue of over 1 billion last year and profits in a quarter of 83 million dollers.....! They will make around 0.3 billion in profits this year.....

Still think they are playing fair?



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yes, they are a big company - they make one or two more products than photoshop. If you don't like it, don't pay the price. If you want 'photoshop lite' then use paintshop pro


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arc - why such a strong opinion? I agree with Paul.

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if they make that much money they should defently do a student licence discount version cheeper, then when people do get jobs using it they will get the best out of the product.

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This will totally go against the grain, lol, but I have no qualms about Adobe charging £515 for it. The level of R&D involved, and what it can do, is immense.

In my profession, we don't need graphics software. We buy Corporate Tax/Accounts Production/Personal tax licences, which alone cost over £2500 per annum to renew. That is worth its weight in salt alone! If we happened to be professional graphic designers, or such, then £515 is small fry.

If you want the best, you got to pay. For home use/personal use, no way could I justify that amount £515. If I was tempted, I would P2P it, but would never use it to its' full potential. Other packages, Picture It being one, satisfy my needs. If I need more, I pay more.

The level of profits they make are irrelevant, IMO. They are a worldwide corporate company, and I say well done. Tescos are the same in the shopping/retail sense - £1 in every £8 we spend is in tescos, awesome. BUT I still shop there because I get quality and value [plus I am a lazy c**t, and am prepared to pay extra for the tesco.com home delivery service]. I have shopped at cheaper stores, but that is my choice.

End of rant - lol - can you tell I have just sauntered back from the pub.

Stu

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The difference with tesco is not that they are generally ripping the consumer off, but the supplier, (i.e. the farming industry) which is how they can gain such massive income.

I still believe that such a large cost is going to force that sort of software to be pirated. For example, I have a few friends doing graphics within sixthform as an A-level. One is very clever and wants to go into design engineering. All of his work is done on photoshop and the work is absolutely superb, could he have achieved this if he had to fork out £500 for the software? No. As I say and Steve, a student/lite/version for poor people would be most welcomed and seriously COULD lead to less piracy. For example, I don't download mp3's and for a time, didn't get any new music. Since the prices of CD's has dropped ~30%, I have bought 5+.

Profits/revenue on that scale can't be looked upon as being irrelevant in such an arguement, over a doller return on shares in a year, that's a lot. I know adobe play a big part in other software, most notably Acrobat, but again, Acrobat author is stupidly overpriced again and forces the educational institutions/businesses to fork out such a massive cost whilst most others use pirated copies.

Seriously, £515 for a CD whent hey are making profits over 250 million dollers....this includes the R&D remember and just leaves out a few one off costs.

In my eyes, they are pricing themselves way out of huge markets such as schools. Accountancy software is a different story however, they form the backbone of so many businesses and do such complex tasks that you can understand the high costs. Also, because a small number are sold through the country, the R&D costs have to be offset by a fewer number of customers.

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I am not debating the fact that piracy goes on, and yes, at student level they have outpriced themselves.

All I am saying is that if you want the best, it comes at a cost - there are probably other products that would do similar, I don't know - I don't do graphic design! I don't even download MP3s, prefering to pay for CDs through CD-Wow.com , or such like. But if we worked in that industry, £515 is immaterial.

I am not sure what marketing they have in place with educational institutions - very little I would have thought; can't see that being in the schools budget each year. And yes, it is probably these institutions that fund the piracy costs. It is such a vicious circle!

I have no idea what schools even provide now, let alone college facilities. In my days, etc, my college had one room full of PCs, running Lotus 123 dos spreadsheets and QSL [I think] attached to a dot-matrix printer. Lol.

I am off home now - got a headache......

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Originally posted by Steve C
arc - why such a strong opinion? I agree with Paul.

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One of my friends is a software developer, I know the kind of work that goes into making decent software.

All of his work is done on photoshop and the work is absolutely superb, could he have achieved this if he had to fork out £500 for the software? No

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That reads like if he'd paid for the software, his work wouldn't be as good. That makes no sense at all. You're coming across as very hypocritical, picking and choosing which laws are in your eyes perfectly ok to flaunt.

Profits/revenue on that scale can't be looked upon as being irrelevant in such an arguement, over a doller return on shares in a year, that's a lot

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Are you saying that if they were a small, struggling company then you wouldnt agree with ripping off their software. However they're not, its just a faceless massive company isn't it - who cares if they loose any revenue?

Seriously, £515 for a CD whent hey are making profits over 250 million dollers

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That to me shows your lack of comprehension of what it takes to write software, you are not paying £515 for a cd.

In my eyes, they are pricing themselves way out of huge markets such as schools

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Its an industry graphics package, it is not aimed at school. Its not a toy. Like i've previously said, paintshop pro is much cheaper and will probably do anything you'll ever need to do with graphics at the home level.



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One moment:

"That reads like if he'd paid for the software, his work wouldn't be as good. That makes no sense at all. You're coming across as very hypocritical, picking and choosing which laws are in your eyes perfectly ok to flaunt."

No, what is meant is that he wouldn't have been able to afford it if bought for £515 and hence his ability limited. I certainly am not hypocritical, I do not have illegal software, mp3's or DVD's, (bar one which was the office recorded from the TV before it came out because i loved it so much). I haven't used P2P since Lars Ulrich took on users of Napster ~2000?

"Are you saying that if they were a small, struggling company then you wouldnt agree with ripping off their software. However they're not, its just a faceless massive company isn't it - who cares if they loose any revenue?"

What about "yes"? In no-uncertain terms, a larger business can and should be able to sell products more competititively, it is one of the benefits of size (economies of scale).
"That to me shows your lack of comprehension of what it takes to write software, you are not paying £515 for a cd."

You really think I believe that the only cost of Adobe Paintshop is a CD....hmmm. Well of course I understand the R&D and production processes, I wouldn't be where I am if I didn't. However, 250million PROFIT alone suggests this R&D is a fairly small amount against their profits.


It may be a package aimed at the industry, and there may be other software packages out there, I don't need to use it, and probably won't. There are users however that are being priced out of the market - especially younger students who simply can't afford that, so a student version would be great. All I am saying is that a price tag of £500 for a piece of software is an insult considering their balance sheets.

I guess you also agree with David Beckham's pay cheque, afterall, the amount he brings in to his owner's football club is huge, so why not?

Out of curiosity, do you have any mp3s illegally collected or possibly any software? Most do.

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I think David Beckham deserves every penny.

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