General spi to mpi conversion

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General spi to mpi conversion

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i have searched the threads and havent foun a defo answer.

so here goes is it possiable to use the punto 75 ecu and mpi injection inlet injectors on a cinq 1108 sporting?
 
my thoughts were just splicing in just the injection loom from the 75 and using a decoded 75 ecu or mcrich chip.

is it posable to do it like that or would i need the whole engine loom?
 
it said somewhere that 1108 ecu wouldnt be able to cope

found it

Quick update - a quick probe with the meter shows the SPi injector has a resistance of 2ohm, the MPi's have 15Ohms. This means that the SPi ecu is not at risk of burning out, although as we have learned that as std map is clearly inadequate to run it.
 
The 1108 ECU remapped may still run MPi.

Fitting the 75 top end on a 1108 block is a fairly common mod over in Poland IIRC.

John (nitrane) has done MPI 1108 IIRC too :)
 
will be needing a re-map soon anyway
new head gsr
886 cam
4-2-1 manafold
40mm tb
decat
inductin kit
lightened flywheel
mcrich chip

just thought if i did this now i wouldnt have to pay for to RR sessions
 
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will be needing a re-map soon anyway
new head gsr
886 cam
4-2-1 manafold
40mm tb
decat
inductin kit
lightened flywheel
mcrich chip

just thought if i did this now i wouldnt jhaveto pay for to RR sessions


Think you'd be wasting your time having a Mckcrich chip and a remap, unless you plan to run the car as a fairly standard SPi for a bit.
 
looks like ill have to do that from the start then. was planing to do that later when i could aford it will have to wait then be for i can have a fast cinq(n)

back to the confusing world of megasquirt

i take that i will still need the injection loom from the 75
 
looks like ill have to do that from the start then. was planing to do that later when i could aford it will have to wait then be for i can have a fast cinq(n)

back to the confusing world of megasquirt

i take that i will still need the injection loom from the 75

There is only two main differences between the mpi and spi looms on a Punto.... so cross check with the cinq diagrams it'll probably be the same.

Mpi 16v pin 33 is connected to.. INJECTORS not connected on spi (because pin 18 iirc is the connector to the SPI)

SPI pin 26 is connected to .A LIVE FEED IN .not connected on mpi so can be ignored.

SPI pin 5 is connected to. A SEPARATE LIVE? . not connected on mpi

Spi pin 7 has 2 connections out AIR CONDITIONING VARIANT...not shown on MPI can be ignored.

If you use an Spi loom with the spi ecu you should only need to splice to the injectors. As Asteris has.
Pin 18 is iirc the out to the spi injector, this can be spliced to the feeds to the injectors. Done + remap?
I also believe old school has done this successfully.

Sorry for the capital letters but I pasted from my notes.
 
ECU wise, all you have to do is splice in the 4 injectors and remap the ECU, then you just use the MPI fuel rail and plum the fuel lines in.
 
Mayby i'm wrong at this, but after messing with Megasquirt for a couple of months, i learned that low imp spi injector is a peak&hold type, so spi ECU is programmed to treat it this way. It needs a high pulse to open and then current is lowered for the rest of the pulsewidth.

Mpi injectors are high impedance and need a steady voltage for the whole pulsewidth, so driving them with the spi ECU might mess things, as it will limit current after pulse start and injectors might shut before end of pulse.

Mayby that is why my attempt to remap the spi ECU, so it works with 1242mpi setup, failed. When we tried to lower the pulse below a certain point, so we reach stoichiometric, injectors were suddenly shutting and car stalled. It was either rich or stalled.

Perhaps Oldschool changed injector driving code, not only maps?

Although, car runs fine on an unlocked 1242mpi ECU (8F.5T), using modified stock harness.
 
Mayby i'm wrong at this, but after messing with Megasquirt for a couple of months, i learned that low imp spi injector is a peak&hold type, so spi ECU is programmed to treat it this way. It needs a high pulse to open and then current is lowered for the rest of the pulsewidth.

Mpi injectors are high impedance and need a steady voltage for the whole pulsewidth, so driving them with the spi ECU might mess things, as it will limit current after pulse start and injectors might shut before end of pulse.

Mayby that is why my attempt to remap the spi ECU, so it works with 1242mpi setup, failed. When we tried to lower the pulse below a certain point, so we reach stoichiometric, injectors were suddenly shutting and car stalled. It was either rich or stalled.

Perhaps Oldschool changed injector driving code, not only maps?

Although, car runs fine on an unlocked 1242mpi ECU (8F.5T), using modified stock harness.

You can get an ecu to do what you want if you know what you are doing and what it does.:confused:
 
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