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Old 23-12-2013   #1
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m32 gearbox short shifter

Hi,

Has anybody installed a short shifter on the m32 gearbox? see a lot of VXR owners with the m32 gearbox try these.
I saw there are a few options out there:
- M-tech short shifter
- other manufactured short shifter
- DIY short shifter.. which would involve drilling a hole and mounting one of those screws you find holding the lifters on the tailgate.

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P.S. the red one is the short shifter; it make the shift shorter by moving the gear cable engaging point on the selector closer to the pivoting point.
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Old 25-12-2013   #2
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

tbh never felt the need for a shorter shift, i find the action ok but anyway what do these cost?
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

I like the idea our delta 165 has gearshift pattern that is far too long, I don't think it uses the m32 box though wonder if there is anything similar available ?
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

Quote Originally Posted by aurick86 View Post
- DIY short shifter.. which would involve drilling a hole and mounting one of those screws you find holding the lifters on the tailgate.
Or just cutting and welding the original one.

No idea which box the Delta uses, but FIAT boxes (of course, it may not be a FIAT/Alfa/Lancia box!) always have identifying numbers stamped on them.
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

They cost about 170 euro..at the producer...
I think the Lancia Delta 165 uses the 2.0 multijet which uses a different gearbox. just find the gearbox and google..if it is used on other cars (not in the Fiat Group) then you have better chances of finding a short shift...like the fact that the m32 is used in Vauxhall/Opel/GM vehicles..

You cannot cut and weld because it's aluminum with a riveted steel insert with a spherical end.
But you can cut it; then drill a hole in the aluminum part( closer to the pivoting point) and then insert a nut and screw with a sphere on the end (like the ones used with the tailgate lifters..they seeem to have a similar diameter to the ball)... i will probably do this sometime after the holidays .. and of course measure the distance of the shift and report back (with photos if i don't get sidetracked).
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

I've been looking at these short shifters for the M32 box on my mito? Not seen anything like the one above, what I've looked at sounds like your DIY mod:

http://www.italo-tuning.de/mito-type...2_46_2155.html
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

Yesterday i finally DIY-ed the sort shifter on my T-jet Bravo.
It feel so much better.
I would recommend it to anyone, it takes less than a hour and the feel is greatly improved.
I detached the original selector, cut out the original ball end( on which the gear cable attaches to) drilled and tapped a new 8mm thread about 2/3 of the original distance, fit the selector back on to the gear box. Then i saw i needed to replace the cable end, because it was touching. i used the end off a tailgate lifter, together with a bit of 6mm screw a longer nut ( connecting nut) and a lot of Loctite.. and now my gear selections are nice, crisp, sharp, shorter and it feels better put together.

Sorry I did not measure the gear stick throw before the mod, but you could do that on the standard shifter; I also don't have pictures ..might take a few later today.
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

Sounds intriguing what you've done

Don't think I'd have the balls to tweak anything regarding the transmission when the M32 is involved
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

You're not really tweaking anything to do with the internals. Just the connector. The actual gearbox isn't altered and responds the same. It just allows you to need less movement when changing gear. Great for track days. Though I think it's better for city driving. Less work needed to change up and down the gears with stop start traffic.

Though I will add I don't think the gear shifts are long on the Bravo. So I wouldn't do this personally.
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

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I wouldn't do this personally.
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Especially with the part suggested by the OP. I've fitted short shifters to VAG cars and It's a straight swap for the OEM part. I'm shocked at the amount of butchering to the existing linkage that this 'upgrade' calls for...
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

Having driven a lot of cars over the years, I'd say the Bravo boxes are pretty good as standard
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

Everibody with the M32 gearbox should see how much play there is in the linkage; mine was about 6 mm, i wouldn't call that good. And exactlly that part does not come as a replaceable piece; I'm talking about the linkage on the end of the selector cable, the part that clips on to the ball-end.

You can get the replacement replacement part for the straight swap( i already mentioned that in the first post).. it's just to expensive for me; no one is saying to do it like i did, it's just how i did it.

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I know it's not the prettiest, but the difference in shifting feel is incredible , not just the shorter throw which is ~3 cm shorter between 1st gear and 2nd gear ; All the guys at the local Fiat meet think the same.

I do agree there are a lot of M32 that feel better than mine did in standard form.
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

What are the measurements of the bolt and ball on End?
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

The bolt is m8x35mm and the ball is 10mm.
I used the screw from a Fiat Stilo hood struts
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Re: m32 gearbox short shifter

Quote Originally Posted by aurick86 View Post
The bolt is m8x35mm and the ball is 10mm.
I used the screw from a Fiat Stilo hood struts
Did you remove the part from the gearbox when you drilled It?
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