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Old 07-06-2009   #1
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OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

Hi All,

Do any of you know if this would work on my 1.2 SX 16V 2001 Bravo?:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Diagnostic-Interface-Fault-Tool-for-Fiat-Punto-Bravo_W0QQitemZ300318590724QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_D iagnostic_Tools_Equipment?hash=item45ec620704&_trk sid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3 A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C 294%3A50

I have a 16pin connector under the dash

I'm not sure what the ISO9141 & ISO14230 (KWP2000) Protocol is and if my car has it! I'm looking at getting fault codes and live engine data from my car. Any other cheapish suggestions?

Thanks!
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Re: OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

It should work yes as the Bravo uses protocol ISO9141, not sure about the software it uses but the protocols is correct. Cheapest option is to make your own cable.
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how u can make it, and what u need to read it? special reader or pc would do?
i would like to know aprox minimum price u can make 1
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Re: OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

where i can find that connector? i have looked but with no results..
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Re: OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

well maybe stupid question, but would that work on my 97 bravo 1.6 ?
have seen used w/o original connector, so connected with wires - noone else did it for fiat . so can, and how hard if i could...

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fiat-...1%7C240%3A1318
i think this adapter shuld make it work on bravo?
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well maybe stupid question, but would that work on my 97 bravo 1.6 ?
have seen used w/o original connector, so connected with wires - noone else did it for fiat . so can, and how hard if i could...
It wont work as your car doesn't have the EODB port. You can make a 3 pin cable but again you'll need to build the cable.
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how u can make it, and what u need to read it? special reader or pc would do?
i would like to know aprox minimum price u can make 1
I made my cable for around 20-25 just parts, the software i have is free and works on my car perfectly and others supporting the same protocol. I am using an RS232 plug to ODBII for my cable. So to make it work all you need is a laptop. You can buy RS232 to USB convertors.
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could u list all parts u made? would work with my car too then?
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could u list all parts u made? would work with my car too then?
I never made a 3 pin cable, only the EODB.
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Re: OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

so u have 16bin connection? i havent found it from my bravo - if it has.
but shuld work? i would like to buy 1 for myself but for me local sellers sell it for ~200$ minimum :S. so no way i can test it.
so i need 1 that reads EOBD? not OBD2?
could u test it, maybe u can try it on some older bravo?

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Quote Originally Posted by Stroke View Post
so u have 16bin connection? i havent found it from my bravo - if it has.
but shuld work? i would like to buy 1 for myself but for me local sellers sell it for ~200$ minimum :S. so no way i can test it.
so i need 1 that reads EOBD? not OBD2?
could u test it, maybe u can try it on some older bravo?

tnx
The Bravo/a and Mareas are not ODBII, they are EODB however they use the universal ODBII connector. Fiat started to fit EODB connectors to cars before the auto legislation changed to make it compulsory for ODB and ODBII all-in-one diagnostic ports to be fitted to new cars (2001 petrols 2004 diesels). You can say they were one of the first. The only down side is that they used there own protocols.

From 95-00

All petrol Bravo/a and Mareas upto 2000 (except the 1.2), have several 3 pin diagnostic connectors located on the car.

All diesel Bravo/a and Mareas upto 2000, have several 3 pin diagnostic connectors located on the car.

2001 onwards

The 1.2, 1.6 and 2.0 Fiat Bravo/a and Mareas from 2001 onwards, have a 16 pin EODB all-in-one diagnostic connector. (not sure about the 1.8, by law it should have but there is no reference to Fiat fitting it to any 1.8 Bravo).

All diesel Bravo/a and Mareas from 2001 onwards, have a 16 pin EODB all-in-one diagnostic connectors.
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CAN BUS EOBD OBD-2 OBDII OBD2 USB Diagnostic Interface

so thisone would work with it?

Multi-Protocol Support:
SAE J1850 PWM (41.6 kbaud)
SAE J1850 VPW (10.4 kbaud)
ISO 9141-2 (5 baud init, 10.4 kbaud)
ISO 14230-4 KWP (5 baud init, 10.4 kbaud)
ISO 14230-4 KWP (fast init, 10.4 kbaud)
ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 500 kbaud)
ISO 15765-4 CAN (29 bit ID, 500 kbaud)
ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 250 kbaud)
ISO 15765-4 CAN (29 bit ID, 250 kbaud)

Supported Software :
Scantool_net113win
EasyOBDII
OBD2Spy
ScanMaster-ELM


or not, any commenct would be appriciated
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Re: OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

I've now ordered the one I originally asked about at the top of this thread. I'll see how it goes when it arrives and report back. As my car has the 16 pin connector and is a late model, I'm hoping it will work.

I did find some circuit diagrams for making a cable, but found the time it would take to make and the cost of components wasn't worth the time over a bought model.
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Re: OBD Scanner / Live diagnostics

You cant build the cable you have bought for a few quid anyway, as its an ELM interface and has a microcontroller in it. As its an ELM323, if it doesnt work out of the box you might be are stuck as you cant change many (if any) of the parameters (header info etc). You should be fine given the year of your car.

Doesnt matter - 16 pin or 3 pin. Same schematic will work for both, just a different plug on the end. All they do is level shift the +/- 12v used by the car to the levels a serial port can cope with, around +/- 5vdc
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so could i use the one i noted be4 on my bravo 1.6 97?
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