Technical Idle Contrlol Valve (Stepper Unit)

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Technical Idle Contrlol Valve (Stepper Unit)

Is there a stop on the throttle butterfly you can adjust?

Could it be that the rest position is a smidge too far closed?

Obviously you wouldn't adjust to give 1500rpm idle, but if it's closed past the factory setting for rest it may cause an issue.
 
Usually there is some kind of anti tamper device on the throttle stop screw.

For example; locktite or a simple cap over the screw head.

It should be easy to check if yours has been tampered with.
 
Yeah, that could be the issue with mine too, but there doesn't seem to be a throttle stop screw on the new one - or at least, I can't find it! This problem has been haunting me for months now. Anyone know if idle can be adjusted with a screw? Should I let *gulp* fiat take a look at it?
 
I take it the stepper motor is incorporated in the ICV. So how would one know if a particular ICV can be opened and serviced ? My ´99 limited edition dies when coming to a stop, does´nt seem to idle and not always, maybe in 10 stops she will die 3 times. The rev counter drops to below the normal amount and picks up again, at times she just does´nt pick up.
Not sure if my ICV is a repairable one. what should one look for ?
 
I wouldn't snip any wires if I were you.

That 'wire' controls the slow speed ABS, it stops it activating less than 10mph which allows greater braking efficiency. It is a safety measure.

The ECU set-up is different to the Barchetta, I believe late barchetta's all use the Hitachi units.

HP you do realise the real cause of idle fluctuation on the 156 don't you?

Because the person who wrote that thread doesn't.

Would you like me to tell you, because snipping wires is not the answer.

Be careful with the advice you give to others as it may result in their peril.
 
Well I'll explain for everyone's benefit;

Every time you press the throttle pedal, miniscule wear occurs on the throttle butterful and spindle.

Over time this wear begins to allow air to bypass the throttle butterfly beyond its control, it is therefore continuously trying to compensate for the increased air flow which causes the fluctuation in idle speed.

The simple answer is to replace the throttle body and idle control valve together. Alfa themselves used to replace them together to cure the fault.

Cutting ABS control wires was never part of Alfa's service schedule.
 
I understand your concern, but from page 7 of the thread linked:

Hi again folks, been monitoring this for a while, but in response to a question from Fanl,
I have some info to share:

First of all some facts as I know them (I'm pretty sure about this as Ive spent a long time looking at the circuit diagrams and am an electronics engineer, but if anyone disagrees feel free to question this):

- On the 156 the speed signal comes from the 4 wheel sensors and goes directly to the ABS ecu.
- the ABS ecu uses this signal directly to deal with its braking requirements, so there is NO affect on the ABS braking performance caused by cutting any wires coming out of the speedo. The ABS is self contained in this respect.
- the ABS unit then sends a single speed signal to the Speedometer, which uses it to display the speed
- The speedo then sends 3 (buffered) copies of this ABS-derived speed signal out to the following places:

a) the engine ecu. This is the famous wire that we are discussing cutting on this thread. The purpose of this signal is to allow the ecu to eliminate a jerky fuel cutoff when you take your foot of the accelerator and the car is moving at speeds above 20kmh. When it knows the car is going at this speed it switches on a special servo that lets the engine rpm die down more slowly. The problem we are all having is something to do with this system not working properly! The big question is -how, why, what changes to make this happen?

b) the aircon control ecu - this needs a speed signal to compensate for the amount of air entering the car when travellling at speed, I don't know exactly how this works, I imagine its only related if you use the 'auto' setting which I never do...

c) the Selespeed ecu on Selespeed cars... this is used to determine when to automatically change down gears when the car is slowing down.

The reason there are three copies is just to prevent a fault or short cct in one unit from affecting the signal to the others. Although none of these signals performs a safety-critical function.
 
Oh, I stand corrected.

Some bloke on the internet said it so I'm wrong.

I would rather take the time to prove myself wrong in this case.

It is never advisable to just cut wires.

As I said in post #31 the cure is replacing the throttle body and idle valve.
 
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I take it the stepper motor is incorporated in the ICV. So how would one know if a particular ICV can be opened and serviced ? My ´99 limited edition dies when coming to a stop, does´nt seem to idle and not always, maybe in 10 stops she will die 3 times. The rev counter drops to below the normal amount and picks up again, at times she just does´nt pick up.
Not sure if my ICV is a repairable one. what should one look for ?

could be lambda sensor, seen this a few times.

This smacks a little of the problem on early Alfa 156s, does anyone know if it's the same ecu and setup?

barchetta uses hitachi ecu's.
 
i think some have Hitachi and some have Bosch electronics
 
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