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Master cylinder failure

Anyone had a master cylinder failure. It appears the seals in ours have started breaking up , contaminated the fluid & taken out the slave as well

Cars out of warranty but only done just over 35000 miles.

Faced with a bill looking to be north of a grand I'm a tadge underwhelmed

Just want to see if this is a common fault

Also is it the same cylinder as the normal 500, if yes might be more info on that section of the forum

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Re: Master cylinder failure

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Anyone had a master cylinder failure. It appears the seals in ours have started breaking up , contaminated the fluid & taken out the slave as well

Cars out of warranty but only done just over 35000 miles.

Faced with a bill looking to be north of a grand I'm a tadge underwhelmed

Just want to see if this is a common fault

Also is it the same cylinder as the normal 500, if yes might be more info on that section of the forum

Thanks
Clutch or brake?

Not many problems reported for the brake hydraulic system, but the clutch one on RHD cars is cheap rubbish. I've reported on this before and I'd say if you don't regularly change the clutch fluid, it's an odds on certainty to fail within the first five years.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a clutch hydraulic failure after that age & mileage, but if it is the clutch, the price you've been quoted is absolutely ludicrous. I'd have thought you could buy the parts for under 150 & it can't be more than an hour's work to swap them over & bleed the system.

Edit: if it's a gearbox-out job, then it's not something that can be done in an hour.
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Re: Master cylinder failure

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Anyone had a master cylinder failure. It appears the seals in ours have started breaking up , contaminated the fluid & taken out the slave as well

Cars out of warranty but only done just over 35000 miles.

Faced with a bill looking to be north of a grand I'm a tadge underwhelmed

Just want to see if this is a common fault

Also is it the same cylinder as the normal 500, if yes might be more info on that section of the forum

Thanks
Stu, that seems incredibly expensive for two cylinders and some fluid as the labour time can't be that long, maybe two to three hours as a guesstimate.

I believe I read something about sediment in the clutch master cylinder posted by JRKitching but cannot remember the full context, might be worth a search. As you say, probably loads more info in the 500 section than here, but this thread will also be seen in that section so you should get some answers soon with a bit of luck.

<edit> beaten to it.
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Re: Master cylinder failure

Its clutch

Replacement of slave is gearbox out, with hourly labour rates the bill will rattle up, spoke to the technician & it sounded like a few hours box out, a few back in, the parts, 85 for the initial diagnosis + vat, scary how quickly it mounts up

Still pretty pxxxxd off
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Still pretty pxxxxd off
Understandably so. You have my condolences.

Folks don't buy new cars to have unscheduled four-figure maintenance bills in year 4. I wouldn't be pxxxxd off, I'd be b****y furious!

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Replacement of slave is gearbox out
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I can understand that's going to rack up the price a lot. While they're down there, I'd suggest paying a few pounds extra & replacing the clutch friction plate. If you've been using the car when the hydraulics are past their best, you may also have put a bit of extra wear on the clutch.

On the 1.2, the slave is mounted on the outside of the bellhousing & AFAIK can be easily replaced.

Clutch hydraulic cylinders are subject to constant use and are almost certain to need replacing during the life of the car (just think how many more times you use the clutch than you use the brake). Whoever designed the transmission so that it requires the best part of a day's labour to change one gets my vote for this year's "Ministry of Cr*p Design" award.
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A grand? What a joke!
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I know there are very good odds that this would never happen to me, but it is at times like that that I am glad that I am handing the keys to my three year old car back this Friday ahead of getting a new one in September-ish.....
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A grand? What a joke!
Sadly it's believable if it's a 'box out job at main dealer rates .

This is the sort of job you can save a fortune on if you've the skills, tools & facilities to do it yourself.

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I know there are very good odds that this would never happen to me, but it is at times like that that I am glad that I am handing the keys to my three year old car back this Friday ahead of getting a new one in September-ish.....
I can easily understand that.

Sometimes it's more important to have a predictable monthly payment than the lowest possible cost if everything goes well.

Your car, being a dualogic, has a different set of parts, and is likely to be even more expensive if it should go wrong. A small chance perhaps, but one that many folks would not want to take.

The economics are different if you can service it yourself. This can probably be fixed for about 150 worth of parts & a day's work.
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Sadly it's believable if it's a 'box out job at main dealer rates .

This is the sort of job you can save a fortune on if you've the skills, tools & facilities to do it yourself.



I can easily understand that.

Sometimes it's more important to have a predictable monthly payment than the lowest possible cost if everything goes well.

Your car, being a dualogic, has a different set of parts, and is likely to be even more expensive if it should go wrong. A small chance perhaps, but one that many folks would not want to take.

The economics are different if you can service it yourself. This can probably be fixed for about 150 worth of parts & a day's work.
Parts are 367.04 ,

Something to be said for extended warranties, 2 years unlimited mileage on the Skoda was 450, at 90,000 miles ( 3.5 years ) they paid for a new Turbo, 450 well spent

I really thought with the low mileage this car does there was any point in considering it, hindsight is indeed a wonderful but very annoying thing
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Something to be said for extended warranties
I wonder if an extended warranty would cover the clutch hydraulics?
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I wonder if an extended warranty would cover the clutch hydraulics?
I wonder if a Fiat three year new car warranty would cover it?
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[QUOTE=Stuart J;3297789]Parts are 367.04 ,

Something to be said for extended warranties.

Something to be said for Fiat and Alfa to up the length of their stingy warranties to 3/4 years in line with many other manufacturers. We are not talking cheap cars here. An Abarth Cometizione can cost north of 20K as can a Mito QV.
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I wonder if a Fiat three year new car warranty would cover it?
The clutch centre plate, release bearing & cover assembly are specifically excluded, but the hydraulic actuating system would appear to be covered.

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Something to be said for extended warranties.
Something to be said for making cars out of decent parts.

I don't want a five year warranty, I want a car that'll run five years without falling apart.
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Clutch or brake?

Not many problems reported for the brake hydraulic system, but the clutch one on RHD cars is cheap rubbish. I've reported on this before and I'd say if you don't regularly change the clutch fluid, it's an odds on certainty to fail within the first five years.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a clutch hydraulic failure after that age & mileage, but if it is the clutch, the price you've been quoted is absolutely ludicrous. I'd have thought you could buy the parts for under 150 & it can't be more than an hour's work to swap them over & bleed the system.

Edit: if it's a gearbox-out job, then it's not something that can be done in an hour.

Can confirm the rhd clutch one is indeed rubbish, my cylinder popped with less than 1000 miles on the clock...
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Re: Master cylinder failure

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Sadly it's believable if it's a 'box out job at main dealer rates .

This is the sort of job you can save a fortune on if you've the skills, tools & facilities to do it yourself.



I can easily understand that.

Sometimes it's more important to have a predictable monthly payment than the lowest possible cost if everything goes well.

Your car, being a dualogic, has a different set of parts, and is likely to be even more expensive if it should go wrong. A small chance perhaps, but one that many folks would not want to take.

The economics are different if you can service it yourself. This can probably be fixed for about 150 worth of parts & a day's work.

You know what jrkirching, the dualogic box and its related workings is the thing that worries me most about the car in terms of long life! Everything else seems easy enough to fix. I wonder how long mine will last ..... = (
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