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Punto engine into Fiat 500

I've got a 2006 1.2 8v Punto and i've got a friend that needs a 1.2 8v engine for a 2010 Fiat 500.

Is the engine in the Punto exactly the same as the Fiat 500?

If its not the same, can the Punto engine be built up with the ancilliary parts from the Fiat 500 engine to fit/work?

The Fiat 500 engine is 169A4.000, no idea about the Punto

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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

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I've got a 2006 1.2 8v Punto and i've got a friend that needs a 1.2 8v engine for a 2010 Fiat 500.

Is the engine in the Punto exactly the same as the Fiat 500?

If its not the same, can the Punto engine be built up with the ancilliary parts from the Fiat 500 engine to fit/work?

The Fiat 500 engine is 169A4.000, no idea about the Punto

Ta in advance.

I very much doubt this is viable; even the 1.2 engine from a 2010 Panda is substantially different.

Secondhand 1.2 500 engines are easy enough to come by, and not particularly expensive; I'd be searching the usual places to find the correct engine for the car.

BTW, what happened to your friend's engine?
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

Shame, thought there might have been differences.

Sump got hit and engine ran dry and seized.
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

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Sump got hit and engine ran dry and seized.

Condolences. It takes something major like this to destroy a 1.2 FIRE; it's one of the most robust small engines ever made and will basically go on almost forever unless run short of oil or coolant.
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Quote Originally Posted by Galahad View Post
Shame, thought there might have been differences.

Sump got hit and engine ran dry and seized.
Depending on which engine is fitted, it might be identical. Whatís the reg of your Punto?
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

2006 Punto will be Euro4, 2010 500 will be Euro5, with variable valve timing. ECU will expect variable valve timing.
If bottom end is same, (was compression ratio same?), might work if head swapped, but only viable if cam not suffered from oil starvation.

Best bet is find correct unit from similar age 500. Plenty been crashed to donate engines, and as these engines last well, as said above, little market for replacement engines, so should be cheap enough.
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2006 Punto will be Euro4, 2010 500 will be Euro5, with variable valve timing. ECU will expect variable valve timing.
If bottom end is same, (was compression ratio same?), might work if head swapped, but only viable if cam not suffered from oil starvation.

Best bet is find correct unit from similar age 500. Plenty been crashed to donate engines, and as these engines last well, as said above, little market for replacement engines, so should be cheap enough.
Fair point, didnít realise the Grande Punto didnít have VVT at that time.
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

There are lots of engines on Ebay for around £200-300, with quite low mileages. Needs care to avoid accident damaged ones though.
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

The 69hp, 1.2, 8 variable valve engine did make the Punto, some made there way into the 199 version of the Punto Active (2006 - 2012 maybe later?)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352140971064

The engine code was 199A4000.
I am pretty sure this is the same block and head as 169A4000, but it was this engine in the Punto Evo that was Euro 5 spec.

The earlier Punto 188 (1993-2006) had the non variable valve 60hp motor (me thinks 188A4000) which, as already mentioned is no good (and Euro 4).

Basically, if it has a rubber bung type oil filler cap, it's no good.
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

Just get the correct same engine straight swap?
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Re: Punto engine into Fiat 500

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Basically, if it has a rubber bung type oil filler cap, it's no good.
Whilst that's true, even having a screw in oil filler cap is no guarantee it will be suitable; the 60HP Euro4 1,2 in my 2010 Panda has the screw in type and is not a VVT engine.

A better way to quickly identify the VVT 1.2 is to look for the VVT solenoid in the cam cover.

Also IIRC the later VVT engines also have a higher compression ration, so either or both of the head and pistons will likely be different also.
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Whilst that's true, even having a screw in oil filler cap is no guarantee it will be suitable; the 60HP Euro4 1,2 in my 2010 Panda has the screw in type and is not a VVT engine.

A better way to quickly identify the VVT 1.2 is to look for the VVT solenoid in the cam cover.

Also IIRC the later VVT engines also have a higher compression ration, so either or both of the head and pistons will likely be different also.
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The comment was made as an early indication of being on the wrong track.

If the oil cap is a rubber bung there's no point in any further investigation trying to find and match engine numbers in the hope it might be correct, it's the wrong engine, move on.

As the oil cap is easy to spot by just lifting the bonnet, I considered it a simple method of initial identification as the OP could check their Punto engine, at a glance and their query may have been answered rather quickly and simply.
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