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Engine size? 2.0jtd, or 2.3jtd? As intimated by @varesecrazy the 2.8jtd uses a flame starter device.Hi all
Newbie with a real problem,my 2001 ducato motorhome broke down and I've traced it to glowplug control relay.But am being told this part is now obsolete and I can't find anywhere.
Any suggestions welcomed
Is that a typo? The 2.8jtd does not use glow plugs. Both the 2.8jtd, and the earlier 2.8idTD use a flame starter. It could be that the early 2000-2002 (x230) 2.8jtd used a different control system?It's 2.8jtd tried coastal motorhomes and he couldn't help
My mistake it's 2.8iTdi and has flame starterIs that a typo? The 2.8jtd does not use glow plugs. Both the 2.8jtd, and the earlier 2.8idTD use a flame starter. It could be that the early 2000-2002 (x230) 2.8jtd used a different control system?
Sorry to have to inform you that your MH is older than you thought. The 2.8jtd replaced the 2,8idTD in mid 2000.My mistake it's 2.8iTdi and has flame starter
Hi all
Newbie with a real problem,my 2001 ducato motorhome broke down and I've traced it to glowplug control relay.But am being told this part is now obsolete and I can't find anywhere.
Any suggestions welcomed
As the engine in question has been confirmed as a 2.8idTD, it will have a flame starter.devce, which embodies a special glowplug.I think the owner needs to check under the bonnet and see if it actually has glowplugs. Or follow the wiring from that relay and see what they connect to.
If as described above, it only uses the flame starter, and no glowplugs, then why are we looking at a pic that seems identical to the Hella glowplug relay from an older 2.5?
I also would not expect the flame start device to be initiated in a UK summer. I am wondering whether, that as the idTD will probably have lower injection pressures the jtd, fuel droplets will be larger. This would not improve cold starting performance. Perhaps @bugsymike has some views on this as he is/was a 2.8 owner?Hi again,
So..your van doesnt run..in the middle of a UK summer
And you have doubts over its 'pre.heater'
I was under the impression it didnt have any effect above @5'c
I am wondering what you have tried..and ruled out ?
I have replaced flame starter a n solenoid,now have power going into starter relay but nothing coning outI think the owner needs to check under the bonnet and see if it actually has glowplugs. Or follow the wiring from that relay and see what they connect to.
If as described above, it only uses the flame starter, and no glowplugs, then why are we looking at a pic that seems identical to the Hella glowplug relay from an older 2.5?
Unless your problem starting is the relay inhibiting the engine starter powering up in which case I am sure a competent auto electrician can soon find a way around that, in which case certainly in the Summer you should never have need of that flame start relay. I have never had a problem with those older 2.8 cranking and firing, indeed the engine I took from a 1997 Fiat Ducato 2.8 Maxi 3.5 tonne van and fitted to a boat, even with ice around the gunnels in mid Winter would start after less than two revolutions of the engine and although the flame start device was fitted to the engine I never needed to wire it up, it always started without. I can't say about Siberian Winters , but in the middle of the Summer if engine cranking but not firing I would look in another direction for the cause. The ease of starting of all of the Sofim 2.5 and 2.8 engines from around 1995/6 and up to 2006 approx with all the latest controls, ECUs etc. some over 250K miles was never a problem.As the engine in question has been confirmed as a 2.8idTD, it will have a flame starter.devce, which embodies a special glowplug.
The same basic system is used on the succeding 2.8jtd, but which has an ECU and sensor to provide temperature sensing, and appropriate timing function. The 2.8idTD had only a simple ECU for the EGR option control.
Something is needed to provide the control function for the flame start device on the 2.8idTD. A standard glowplug control may help, but two stages are required for correct operation, as the glowplug needs to be hot before fuel is injected into the inlet manifold.
I also would not expect the flame start device to be initiated in a UK summer. I am wondering whether, that as the idTD will probably have lower injection pressures the jtd, fuel droplets will be larger. This would not improve cold starting performance. Perhaps @bugsymike has some views on this as he is/was a 2.8 owner?
@Toadie ,Hi all
Newbie with a real problem,my 2001 ducato motorhome broke down and I've traced it to glowplug control relay.But am being told this part is now obsolete and I can't find anywhere.
Any suggestions welcomed
By "solenoid" do you mean the flame starter controller as in your photos, and is "starter relay" refering to the sterter relay in the dash, or the solenoid that is integral with the starter motor.I have replaced flame starter a n solenoid,now have power going into starter relay but nothing coning out