General Fiat Bravo 2014 End Of The Line????
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General Fiat Bravo 2014 End Of The Line????
So you are blaming poor Fiat Bravo sales on them not making a powerful one?
So basically people only buy Astra's because they make a VXR, and people only buy the Focus because they make an ST.
Numbers of Astra's vs numbers of VXR will be VAST. I hardly doubt an Abarth version of the Bravo would mean they would sell huge numbers of normal ones
Just check out the Guilietta Cloverleaf 1.75 TBi... hardly sold any...
So basically people only buy Astra's because they make a VXR, and people only buy the Focus because they make an ST.
Numbers of Astra's vs numbers of VXR will be VAST. I hardly doubt an Abarth version of the Bravo would mean they would sell huge numbers of normal ones
Just check out the Guilietta Cloverleaf 1.75 TBi... hardly sold any...
So you are blaming poor Fiat Bravo sales on them not making a powerful one?
So basically people only buy Astra's because they make a VXR, and people only buy the Focus because they make an ST.
Numbers of Astra's vs numbers of VXR will be VAST. I hardly doubt an Abarth version of the Bravo would mean they would sell huge numbers of normal ones
Just check out the Guilietta Cloverleaf 1.75 TBi... hardly sold any...
Spot on. He's also missing the point that Fiat didn't do an Abarth Bravo. Which would be the equivalent to the Vxr, Renault sport, ST. And those cars always come out after the main car has been selling for a year or two. Bravo wasn't selling well from day one for poor advertising. You compare the standard model engines to the Bravo and bravo wind on all but a few.
They wouldn't make a powerful one because it would create too much competition with Alfa Romeo...
There's a reason why the Abarth 500 and Abarth Grande Punto come with the same running gear as the Mito 155, and the Guiletta 170 get's a larger turbo with the same 1.4 block.
To get a Fiat with the same power as the 170bhp Guilietta you would need the "esseesse" kit on an Abarth, and that's like a £2,000 package...
To make a "hot hatch" version of the Bravo it would have to have the 1.75 TBi engine installed... but then that would further damage sales of the Alfa 159 and Guilietta Cloverleaf... there was just no reason to develop a hot version..
There's a reason why the Abarth 500 and Abarth Grande Punto come with the same running gear as the Mito 155, and the Guiletta 170 get's a larger turbo with the same 1.4 block.
To get a Fiat with the same power as the 170bhp Guilietta you would need the "esseesse" kit on an Abarth, and that's like a £2,000 package...
To make a "hot hatch" version of the Bravo it would have to have the 1.75 TBi engine installed... but then that would further damage sales of the Alfa 159 and Guilietta Cloverleaf... there was just no reason to develop a hot version..
bravo has no "fast" version now so I looked at buying a new 1.7t cloverleaf but nope Alfa has stopped them now just a 1.4,
Sold them selves out to the diesel world
How can I be missing the point if that was my point?
Am I wrong in thinking the Bravo came out, then the 165 was released?
Fiats flagship sport model with smaller brakes than a 1.4tjet punto. . .
I do agree with lack of any kind of advertising at all failing the bravo's sales.
What a shame to see the 1.75 tbi no longer in production.
Was the Cloverleaf a limited edition thing then?
I'd like to see another fast affordable Italian car soon
Was the Cloverleaf a limited edition thing then?
I'd like to see another fast affordable Italian car soon
A halo model in the Bravo range might've grabbed it some needed attention, but ultimately the reason for it not selling much was too little advertising. Apart from the introductory advert on telly the only ad it got was the 'Every Part Works Beautifully' advert around 2008 to coincide with the 5 years unlimited miles warranty, which actually seemed to shift a few units. Whilst it's fair to say not every part works beautifully (as many an M32 gearbox owner will attest), it has seemed to be a largely well built model. Much better than the far stronger selling Grande Punto, anyway.
Fiat obviously decided to put all their eggs in one basket with the 500 at the time, and on the 500 it has paid off, but why they didn't push the rest of the range as well is baffling, as it's left them heavily reliant on a single model, in the UK at least. Yeah the Bravo isn't the best car in the class, but it's a damn sight better than a Citroen Xzara, and Citroen shifted thousands of them because they advertised them and did strong promotions. With the better Bravo, Fiat (UK) didn't bother, and only have themselves to blame.
On the Giulietta 1.75 TBi, it only temporarily stopped when they facelifted the Giulietta, but a new one is on the way in the form of the Giulietta Quatrofoglio Verde (four leaf clover, in green, or Cloverleaf). It's had it's official UK launch at Goodwood, but of course, Alfa UK haven't added it to their website yet, as that'd get them a few orders - and we can't possibly have Alfa selling anything, can we?
Fiat obviously decided to put all their eggs in one basket with the 500 at the time, and on the 500 it has paid off, but why they didn't push the rest of the range as well is baffling, as it's left them heavily reliant on a single model, in the UK at least. Yeah the Bravo isn't the best car in the class, but it's a damn sight better than a Citroen Xzara, and Citroen shifted thousands of them because they advertised them and did strong promotions. With the better Bravo, Fiat (UK) didn't bother, and only have themselves to blame.
On the Giulietta 1.75 TBi, it only temporarily stopped when they facelifted the Giulietta, but a new one is on the way in the form of the Giulietta Quatrofoglio Verde (four leaf clover, in green, or Cloverleaf). It's had it's official UK launch at Goodwood, but of course, Alfa UK haven't added it to their website yet, as that'd get them a few orders - and we can't possibly have Alfa selling anything, can we?
Don't worry, the Giulietta QV is coming in a facelifted version, with the twin-clutch transmission and a slight increase in power (from 235bhp to 240bhp).
Yeah but it's a higher priced seemingly limited run, think there is only about 300 uk ones apparently
Prices start close to £29000
£29000 for a Giulietta!
Stepping into Audi S4/S3 kinda money
And no manual option.
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Yeah but it's a higher priced seemingly limited run, think there is only about 300 uk ones apparently
Prices start close to £29000
£29000 for a Giulietta!
Stepping into Audi S4/S3 kinda money
And no manual option.
There's a Limited introductory model to start with, but then a cheaper regular version will take over. When though, God knows.
The only one I ever saw, ran for maybe a couple of months in mags and TV channels, then vanished.
That is very cool! Though I still don't remember seeing it.
The Bravo was not a brilliant car when it was launched, and being based on old underpinnings certainly did not help.
The car looked fantastic, and the interior looked nice. That was until you drove the thing and began to use it. I remember having one for a few days as a courtesy car whilst my fault ridden GP was being repaired as usual.
It was a 1.4 t jet active. It felt quick but was worse to drive than the GP. Terrible steering that was to light, and a sense of vagueness to it. I also remembered it's grip was poor also. That nice looking interior proved to be not so nice in build and quality and the stereo was terrible.
It's not a surprise it did not sell well, it wasn't a good car!
The original Bravo when launched did sell well because that was well perceived at the time.
The car looked fantastic, and the interior looked nice. That was until you drove the thing and began to use it. I remember having one for a few days as a courtesy car whilst my fault ridden GP was being repaired as usual.
It was a 1.4 t jet active. It felt quick but was worse to drive than the GP. Terrible steering that was to light, and a sense of vagueness to it. I also remembered it's grip was poor also. That nice looking interior proved to be not so nice in build and quality and the stereo was terrible.
It's not a surprise it did not sell well, it wasn't a good car!
The original Bravo when launched did sell well because that was well perceived at the time.
Might offend a few people with such blasphemous comments.
I've driven and owned many cars (for my age, 22) and out of the 8 cars I've had it's probably in the top 3.
Personally, to me it seems pretty solid, and although it can be noisy at motorway speeds it does most jobs very amicably.
Lowered the car 40mm and a new set of shocks, coupled with decent 18" tyres have made the steering heavier with greater feedback and ultimately better grip overall.
My Astra MK5 estate and Vauxhall Signum felt more solid and comfortable, but then again they are large cars and neither are anywhere near as fun to drive... so it all comes down to preference.
As for the stereo being poor? Pish... I've got a Pioneer DAB in box I've not even bothered to install yet. I think you need to step back into a MK4 Astra for a truly terrible audio system
Bit surprised to read of comments regarding poor steering. I've not driven a Bravo, but I believe it has the same steering system as the Stilo and I've owned one of them for nearly 6 years. I find the Stilo steering one of the best electric systems I've used, and I've driven a lot of cars. It's quick, fairly communicative and has reasonable grip.
I think the grip on my MiTo (same steering as Grande Punto) is better & it's a tiny bit quicker to respond in Dynamic mode, but it's slower than the Stilo in Natural mode and always as vague as hell compared to the Stilo.
I think part of the problem on the Active might be the small steel wheels - my Stilo and a lot of the Bravo's owned by people on here have 16/17/18" alloys, which seem to help with steering feel I've noticed.
Overall the Bravo was more of a Renault Megane/Peugeot 308 rival than a Focus/Golf rival, but I wouldn't say it was a bad car. In quality/reliability terms it's far better than the much stronger selling Grande Punto, but unless you had reason to go to a Fiat dealership, ie with another Fiat for servicing etc, chances are you'd think a Fiat Bravo was a 3dr hatch from the 90s. Ultimately it flopped through poor advertising & too steeply increasing prices putting it at direct competition with dynamically better cars.
I think the grip on my MiTo (same steering as Grande Punto) is better & it's a tiny bit quicker to respond in Dynamic mode, but it's slower than the Stilo in Natural mode and always as vague as hell compared to the Stilo.
I think part of the problem on the Active might be the small steel wheels - my Stilo and a lot of the Bravo's owned by people on here have 16/17/18" alloys, which seem to help with steering feel I've noticed.
Overall the Bravo was more of a Renault Megane/Peugeot 308 rival than a Focus/Golf rival, but I wouldn't say it was a bad car. In quality/reliability terms it's far better than the much stronger selling Grande Punto, but unless you had reason to go to a Fiat dealership, ie with another Fiat for servicing etc, chances are you'd think a Fiat Bravo was a 3dr hatch from the 90s. Ultimately it flopped through poor advertising & too steeply increasing prices putting it at direct competition with dynamically better cars.
dont judge the range on the base model...
Thought the base 1.4 90 was the base model?
active base model, then active sport, then dynamic/sport top range
the active has small tyres/wheel and tall suspension, both of which wont help the understeery feeling
sport mode transform the steering on my car, never switch it off
the active has small tyres/wheel and tall suspension, both of which wont help the understeery feeling
sport mode transform the steering on my car, never switch it off
