Technical Timing chain timing issue

[Macaulay]

Good evening
I’m currently undergoing a timing chain on my Peugeot Bipper with the 1.3 Fiat engine just after some advise from some knowledgeable people if possible.
Have this all stripped now and can manage to get the crankshaft locking pin in (8mm) through the top of the gearbox casing have turned over twice for can although can’t seem to get the camshaft tool to lock in correctly. The van ran before all be it with a rattle. Therefore can’t see it can be that far out if at all but can’t seem to feel the flat with the tool at all is there any other way without removing the rocker cover to pin the camshafts up at all ? Before I commit any further I might get a endoscope in through the bore to identify the flat on the camshaft. Has anyone else had this issue with these spring loaded camshaft tools I’ve tried wiggling it and moving it back and forth slowly as I can around the crankshaft pin area to no avail.
Kind regards
Mac

 

[bugsymike]

Good evening
I’m currently undergoing a timing chain on my Peugeot Bipper with the 1.3 Fiat engine just after some advise from some knowledgeable people if possible.
Have this all stripped now and can manage to get the crankshaft locking pin in (8mm) through the top of the gearbox casing have turned over twice for can although can’t seem to get the camshaft tool to lock in correctly. The van ran before all be it with a rattle. Therefore can’t see it can be that far out if at all but can’t seem to feel the flat with the tool at all is there any other way without removing the rocker cover to pin the camshafts up at all ? Before I commit any further I might get a endoscope in through the bore to identify the flat on the camshaft. Has anyone else had this issue with these spring loaded camshaft tools I’ve tried wiggling it and moving it back and forth slowly as I can around the crankshaft pin area to no avail.
Kind regards
Mac

They can be a bit of a fiddle especially if a cheap timing tool kit is used.
Are you half a turn out on the cams? Remember two turns on the flywheel equal one at the cams.
Another point is there is no guarantee it was spot on before. I would mark the general area of the flywheel mark then get the cam locks to drop in nicely and then see if the flywheel mark is almost in correct position as a guide.
I am not saying time it to that, just more as a way to confirm where the timing points actually are.
I am sure you know this but use the correct flywheel locking tool , not the flywheel timing tool when releasing or tightening the crankshaft freewheeling pulley bolt (reverse thread from memory) as I have seen many damaged tools by people using them to torque up the crank pulley bolt, this can give false timing if tool bent also.
Also easier to turn engine if heater plugs are out, if possible.