Technical Standard MultiECUScan values for a 1.2 8v Dualogic vehicle

[spleenharvester]

Hi all

I see lots of threads especially in the Dualogic thread about what values on MultiECUScan "should" be when troubleshooting a problem. From that it occurs to me that someone probably needs to post values from a healthy car for people experiencing technical problems to compare to, so I am dumping them all in this thread to help people in the future.

This data originates from a petrol Fiat 500 312 from year 2011, which has covered approximately 75,000 miles. It has the five-speed gearbox (C514.5) with Dualogic actuator (CFC328). The car was in neutral and had been idling for a short time when these measurements were taken. This car has never had any service carried out on the transmission, and has never had any major work carried out on the engine (just lambda sensors and bits like that). It has never exhibited any symptoms of transmission problems. It was thoroughly serviced about a year ago (new spark plugs, timing belt, coolant, water pump etc etc). The battery was replaced two months ago. Note some data output has been translated from Czech to English.

Gearbox ECU:

Fiat 500 1.2 8V
Marelli SELESPEED CFC328 Automatic Gearbox
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ECU ISO code: [REDACTED]
FIAT drawing number: [REDACTED]
Hardware number: CFC 328F.05
Hardware version: 00
Software number: [REDACTED]
Software version: 0000
Homologation number: [REDACTED]
Functioning time (EEPROM): 206321
Operating time: 206321

READING ERROR CODES:
No fault codes

READING PARAMETERS:
Gear/engage position: 25.398 mm
Selection position: 20.010 mm
Clutch pressure plate travel: 11.433 mm
Clutch pressure plate reference: 11.433 mm
Clutch engaged position (self-adjusted): 18.315 mm
PIS spacer closed position (self-adjusted): 5.513 mm
Accelerator pedal position: 0.0 %
Hydraulic circuit pressure: 45 bar
Engine temperature: 67 °C
Battery voltage: 13.2 V
Engine speed: 709 rpm
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Longitudinal acceleration: 163.820 m/sec²
Clutch disc RPM: 0 rpm
Odd gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Even gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Clutch solenoid valve current: 943.8 mA
Solenoid valve current at zero flow: 943.8 mA
Actual engine torque: -1 Nm
Requested engine torque: -500 Nm
Gear selector lever position: Neutral request from the lever
Gear engaged: N
Gear requested: N
ECO/SPORT button: Unlocked
CITY button (if present): Unlocked
Driver's door: Closed
Brake pedal: Unlocked
Ignition key position: On
Pump relay control: Off
Start-up enable relay: Off
Acoustic signal (buzzer): Off
Starter circuit: Unsolicited
Gearbox oil temperature: 8 °C
Clutch temperature: 16 °C
Clutch degradation index: 3092
Gear engagement counter (N): 51470
Gear engagement counter (1st): 41820
Gear engagement counter (2nd): 40211
Gear engagement counter (3rd): 62706
Gear engagement counter (4th): 20688
Gear engagement counter (5th): 1459
Gear engagement counter (6th): 0
Gear engagement counter (R): 26406
Pump ON counter: 270442
System ON time: 206486 min
Clutch overtemperature time: 112 sec
Clutch disc RPM too high counter: 0
Missed gearshift counter: 0
Clutch insufficient release counter: 0
Clutch engaging problem counter: 0
Missed disengagement counter: 2
Missed shift counter: Neutral gear: 0
Missed shift counter: First gear: 179
Missed shift counter: Second gear: 56
Missed shift counter: Third gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fourth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fifth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Sixth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Reverse gear: 65
Total gear changes counter: 900120
Gearbox/clutch self-calibration: Not done
Distance covered in neutral: 0 km
Distance covered in 1st gear: 163 km
Distance covered in 2nd gear: 4346 km
Distance covered in 3rd gear: 9454 km
Distance covered in 4th gear: 17735 km
Distance covered in 5th gear: 64845 km
Distance covered in 6th gear: 0 km
Distance covered in reverse gear: 0 km

Engine ECU:

Fiat 500 1.2 8V
Magneti Marelli IAW 5SF8 CF5/EOBD Injection (8V)
--------------------------------------------------------------

ECU ISO code: [REDACTED]
FIAT drawing number: [REDACTED]
Hardware number: [REDACTED]
Hardware version: 00
Software number: [REDACTED]
Software version: 0000
Homologation number: [REDACTED]
Functioning time (EEPROM): 206690
Operating time: 206707




READING PARAMETERS:
Battery voltage: 14.1 V
Odometer: 122100.0 km
Odometer at last programming: 0.0 km
Engine over-rev count: 0
Max. engine speed time: 0.00 sec
Maximum engine over-rev RPM: 0 rpm
Number of programmings: 0
Vehicle speed (from CAN): 0.0 km/h
Engine speed: 704 rpm
Engine temperature: 86 °C
Air temperature: 26 °C
Engine oil temperature: 75 °C
Spark advance: 10.4 deg.
Spark advance (calculated): 11.3 deg.
Advance correction: 0.0 %
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 1): 0.0 deg.
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 2): 0.0 deg.
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 3): 0.0 deg.
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 4): 0.0 deg.
Injection time: 2.454 ms
Injection time correction: 0.000 ms
Coil 1 charge time: 2.090 ms
Coil 2 charge time: 2.018 ms
Coil 3 charge time: 2.038 ms
Coil 4 charge time: 2.066 ms
Knock sensor signal: 0.0000 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 1): 0.2489 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 2): 0.2538 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 3): 0.2733 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 4): 0.3172 V
Engine torque: 15.7 Nm
Desired engine torque: 15.7 Nm
Engine load: 5.00 Kg/h
Intake pressure: 296 mbar
Air pressure (calculated): 308 mbar
Idle air correction: 6552.8 %
Throttle angle: 2.5 deg.
Throttle position: 0.0 %
Throttle position (Track 1): 2.6 deg.
Throttle position (Track 2): 2.6 deg.
Throttle valve control: 39.9 %
Throttle position learning: Not requested
Throttle learning stage: In progress (2)
Electrically actuated throttle (recovery): Active
Lambda 1 signal (Pre-Cat.): 0.055 V
Lambda 1 signal (After-Cat.): 0.740 V
Lambda sensor 1 integrator: 1.03855
Lambda sensor 2 integrator: 1.00000
Lambda 1 status (Pre-Cat.): Closed loop
Lambda 1 status (After-Cat.): Open loop
Lambda 1 diagnosis (Pre-Cat.): System lean
Lambda 1 diagnosis (After-Cat.): System rich
Desired idle RPM: 700 rpm
Cam position: 0.00 deg.
Desired cam position: -2.00 deg.
VVT (phase variator): 0.0 %
Phase variator control: Closed loop
Phase variator position: Learned
Learned VVT tooth position (1): 104.88 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (2): 231.00 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (3): 283.69 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (4): 409.63 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (5): 464.44 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (6): 639.81 deg.
Evaporation control valve opening: 0.0 %
Canister fill: 0.0 %
Gas pedal position: 0.0 %
Gas pedal position signal (Track 1): 0.7564 V
Gas pedal position signal (Track 2): 0.8003 V
Clutch pedal: Released
Clutch contact 2: Released
Brake pedal: Released
STOP&START function: OFF
STOP&START function request: OFF
STOP&START temporary deactivation status: Disabled
Brake booster vacuum switch: Closed
Fan speed: 0
Atmospheric pressure: 1026 mbar
Fuel consumption: 0.4598 l/h
Universal code: Received
Engine startup: Allowed
Ignition key position: MAR
Engine status: MAR
Gearbox type: Selespeed
Gear engaged: None/Neutral
Failure indicator light: Flashing

Interesting to note that the clutch wear index is so low considering the mileage. Some say the Dualogic actuator thrashes the clutch harder than a manual but it doesn't look like this is actually the case.

Hope this helps someone.

 

[JUAN RAMON]

Hi all

I see lots of threads especially in the Dualogic thread about what values on MultiECUScan "should" be when troubleshooting a problem. From that it occurs to me that someone probably needs to post values from a healthy car for people experiencing technical problems to compare to, so I am dumping them all in this thread to help people in the future.

This data originates from a petrol Fiat 500 312 from year 2011, which has covered approximately 75,000 miles. It has the five-speed gearbox (C514.5) with Dualogic actuator (CFC328). The car was in neutral and had been idling for a short time when these measurements were taken. This car has never had any service carried out on the transmission, and has never had any major work carried out on the engine (just lambda sensors and bits like that). It has never exhibited any symptoms of transmission problems. It was thoroughly serviced about a year ago (new spark plugs, timing belt, coolant, water pump etc etc). The battery was replaced two months ago. Note some data output has been translated from Czech to English.

Gearbox ECU:



Engine ECU:



Interesting to note that the clutch wear index is so low considering the mileage. Some say the Dualogic actuator thrashes the clutch harder than a manual but it doesn't look like this is actually the case.

Hope this helps someone.

Hi

I¡m a FIAT500 owner (second hand) from Spain. I bought the car with 122.000 km and the day after the car stop changing ....after 2 months in the FIAT they changed thr robot and the clutch.....more tham 4000 euros. After that i have become a dualogic specialist reading all documents, seeing all videos and attending to courses. I have seen the list of parameters that you send and i have found it very interesting. It is strange the degradation index of around 3000. It seems that the data has been reinitiated to 3000 (the value for new clutch kit).

I would be very interesting for me if you could send the list of parameters recorded now, after 2 years to see the evolution. could it be possible?

Thanks in advance

Juan Ramon

 

[spleenharvester]

Hi

I¡m a FIAT500 owner (second hand) from Spain. I bought the car with 122.000 km and the day after the car stop changing ....after 2 months in the FIAT they changed thr robot and the clutch.....more tham 4000 euros. After that i have become a dualogic specialist reading all documents, seeing all videos and attending to courses. I have seen the list of parameters that you send and i have found it very interesting. It is strange the degradation index of around 3000. It seems that the data has been reinitiated to 3000 (the value for new clutch kit).

I would be very interesting for me if you could send the list of parameters recorded now, after 2 years to see the evolution. could it be possible?

Thanks in advance

Juan Ramon

Hiya, just saw this, the car is down for failed MOT at the mo but if you still need these values I can rerun the test in a few days. Cheers

 

[JUAN RAMON]

hi

Yes please, it would be very interesting for me.

Thanks un advance

 

[spleenharvester]

hi

Yes please, it would be very interesting for me.

Thanks un advance

Cool will do, might not be til next weekend though, car is currently waiting for some wishbones

 

[spleenharvester]

hi

Yes please, it would be very interesting for me.

Thanks un advance

Hello

Just been and got these - the car was sat in idle and I put it in N, R and 1st. It's not changed much since the original post, I replaced the coil pack and leads last week due to misfires caused by corrosion on the leads but that's about it. It has covered about 9300 miles since the last readings.

Fiat 500 1.2 8V, CFC328 ECU, idling in neutral:

READING PARAMETERS:
Gear/engage position: 25.398 mm
Selection position: 19.550 mm
Clutch pressure plate travel: 11.359 mm
Clutch pressure plate reference: 11.359 mm
Clutch engaged position (self-adjusted): 18.056 mm
PIS spacer closed position (self-adjusted): 5.365 mm
Accelerator pedal position: 0.0 %
Hydraulic circuit pressure: 40 bar
Engine temperature: 13 °C
Battery voltage: 13.2 V
Engine speed: 1170 rpm
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Longitudinal acceleration: 163.820 m/sec²
Clutch disc RPM: 0 rpm
Odd gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Even gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Clutch solenoid valve current: 943.8 mA
Solenoid valve current at zero flow: 943.8 mA
Actual engine torque: -2 Nm
Requested engine torque: -500 Nm
Gear selector lever position: Neutral req. from lever
Gear engaged: N
Gear requested: N
ECO/SPORT button: Released
CITY button (if present): Released
Driver's door: Closed
Brake pedal: Released
Ignition key position: ON
Pump relay control: OFF
Start-up enable relay: OFF
Acoustic signal (buzzer): OFF
Starter circuit: Not requested
Gearbox oil temperature: 9 °C
Clutch temperature: 9 °C
Clutch degradation index: 3898
Gear engagement counter (N): 52442
Gear engagement counter (1st): 49727
Gear engagement counter (2nd): 53272
Gear engagement counter (3rd): 8714
Gear engagement counter (4th): 30800
Gear engagement counter (5th): 6343
Gear engagement counter (6th): 0
Gear engagement counter (R): 27129
Pump ON counter: 289223
System ON time: 224726 min
Clutch overtemperature time: 112 sec
Clutch disc RPM too high counter: 0
Missed gearshift counter: 0
Clutch insufficient release counter: 0
Clutch engaging problem counter: 0
Missed disengagement counter: 3
Missed shift counter: Neutral gear: 0
Missed shift counter: First gear: 211
Missed shift counter: Second gear: 56
Missed shift counter: Third gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fourth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fifth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Sixth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Reverse gear: 78
Total gear changes counter: 949323
Gearbox/clutch self-calibration: Not performed
Distance covered in neutral: 0 km
Distance covered in 1st gear: 205 km
Distance covered in 2nd gear: 4832 km
Distance covered in 3rd gear: 10313 km
Distance covered in 4th gear: 18875 km
Distance covered in 5th gear: 10581 km
Distance covered in 6th gear: 0 km
Distance covered in reverse gear: 0 km

Fiat 500 1.2 8V, CFC328 ECU, idling in 1st:

READING PARAMETERS:
Gear/engage position: 14.433 mm
Selection position: 19.642 mm
Clutch pressure plate travel: 11.877 mm
Clutch pressure plate reference: 11.877 mm
Clutch engaged position (self-adjusted): 18.056 mm
PIS spacer closed position (self-adjusted): 5.365 mm
Accelerator pedal position: 0.0 %
Hydraulic circuit pressure: 43 bar
Engine temperature: 60 °C
Battery voltage: 13.2 V
Engine speed: 709 rpm
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Longitudinal acceleration: 163.820 m/sec²
Clutch disc RPM: 0 rpm
Odd gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Even gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Clutch solenoid valve current: 943.8 mA
Solenoid valve current at zero flow: 943.8 mA
Actual engine torque: -2 Nm
Requested engine torque: -500 Nm
Gear selector lever position: No request
Gear engaged: 1
Gear requested: 1
ECO/SPORT button: Released
CITY button (if present): Released
Driver's door: Closed
Brake pedal: Released
Ignition key position: ON
Pump relay control: OFF
Start-up enable relay: OFF
Acoustic signal (buzzer): OFF
Starter circuit: Not requested
Gearbox oil temperature: 9 °C
Clutch temperature: 13 °C
Clutch degradation index: 3898
Gear engagement counter (N): 52442
Gear engagement counter (1st): 49728
Gear engagement counter (2nd): 53272
Gear engagement counter (3rd): 8714
Gear engagement counter (4th): 30800
Gear engagement counter (5th): 6343
Gear engagement counter (6th): 0
Gear engagement counter (R): 27129
Pump ON counter: 289225
System ON time: 224733 min
Clutch overtemperature time: 112 sec
Clutch disc RPM too high counter: 0
Missed gearshift counter: 0
Clutch insufficient release counter: 0
Clutch engaging problem counter: 0
Missed disengagement counter: 3
Missed shift counter: Neutral gear: 0
Missed shift counter: First gear: 211
Missed shift counter: Second gear: 56
Missed shift counter: Third gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fourth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fifth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Sixth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Reverse gear: 78
Total gear changes counter: 949324
Gearbox/clutch self-calibration: Not performed
Distance covered in neutral: 0 km
Distance covered in 1st gear: 205 km
Distance covered in 2nd gear: 4832 km
Distance covered in 3rd gear: 10313 km
Distance covered in 4th gear: 18875 km
Distance covered in 5th gear: 10581 km
Distance covered in 6th gear: 0 km
Distance covered in reverse gear: 0 km

Fiat 500 1.2 8V, CFC328 ECU, idling in reverse:

READING PARAMETERS:
Gear/engage position: 37.536 mm
Selection position: 9.016 mm
Clutch pressure plate travel: 11.877 mm
Clutch pressure plate reference: 11.877 mm
Clutch engaged position (self-adjusted): 18.056 mm
PIS spacer closed position (self-adjusted): 5.365 mm
Accelerator pedal position: 0.0 %
Hydraulic circuit pressure: 47 bar
Engine temperature: 65 °C
Battery voltage: 13.2 V
Engine speed: 697 rpm
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Longitudinal acceleration: 163.820 m/sec²
Clutch disc RPM: 0 rpm
Odd gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Even gears selection sol. valve current: 0.0 mA
Clutch solenoid valve current: 943.8 mA
Solenoid valve current at zero flow: 943.8 mA
Actual engine torque: 0 Nm
Requested engine torque: -500 Nm
Gear selector lever position: Reverse req. from lever
Gear engaged: R
Gear requested: R
ECO/SPORT button: Released
CITY button (if present): Released
Driver's door: Closed
Brake pedal: Released
Ignition key position: ON
Pump relay control: OFF
Start-up enable relay: OFF
Acoustic signal (buzzer): OFF
Starter circuit: Not requested
Gearbox oil temperature: 10 °C
Clutch temperature: 15 °C
Clutch degradation index: 3898
Gear engagement counter (N): 52443
Gear engagement counter (1st): 49729
Gear engagement counter (2nd): 53272
Gear engagement counter (3rd): 8714
Gear engagement counter (4th): 30800
Gear engagement counter (5th): 6343
Gear engagement counter (6th): 0
Gear engagement counter (R): 27130
Pump ON counter: 289226
System ON time: 224735 min
Clutch overtemperature time: 112 sec
Clutch disc RPM too high counter: 0
Missed gearshift counter: 0
Clutch insufficient release counter: 0
Clutch engaging problem counter: 0
Missed disengagement counter: 3
Missed shift counter: Neutral gear: 0
Missed shift counter: First gear: 211
Missed shift counter: Second gear: 56
Missed shift counter: Third gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fourth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Fifth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Sixth gear: 0
Missed shift counter: Reverse gear: 78
Total gear changes counter: 949327
Gearbox/clutch self-calibration: Not performed
Distance covered in neutral: 0 km
Distance covered in 1st gear: 205 km
Distance covered in 2nd gear: 4832 km
Distance covered in 3rd gear: 10313 km
Distance covered in 4th gear: 18875 km
Distance covered in 5th gear: 10581 km
Distance covered in 6th gear: 0 km
Distance covered in reverse gear: 0 km

Fiat 500 1.2 8V, engine ECU (Magneti Marelli IAW 5SF9 CF5/EOBD Injection), idling in neutral:

READING PARAMETERS:
Battery voltage: 14.0 V
Odometer: 137001.0 km
Odometer at last programming: 0.0 km
Engine over-rev count: 0
Max. engine speed time: 0.00 sec
Maximum engine over-rev RPM: 0 rpm
Number of programmings: 0
Vehicle speed (from CAN): 0.0 km/h
Engine speed: 701 rpm
Front left wheel speed: km/h
Front right wheel speed: km/h
Rear left wheel speed: km/h
Rear right wheel speed: km/h
Engine temperature: 79 °C
Air temperature: 17 °C
Engine oil temperature: 57 °C
Spark advance: 10.8 deg.
Spark advance (calculated): 11.6 deg.
Advance correction: 0.0 %
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 1): 0.0 deg.
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 2): 0.0 deg.
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 3): 0.0 deg.
Spark advance reduction (Cyl. 4): 0.0 deg.
Injection time: 2.430 ms
Injection time correction: 0.000 ms
Coil 1 charge time: 2.108 ms
Coil 2 charge time: 2.060 ms
Coil 3 charge time: 2.074 ms
Coil 4 charge time: 2.036 ms
Knock sensor signal: 0.0000 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 1): 0.2489 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 2): 0.2586 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 3): 0.2977 V
Knock sensor signal (Cyl. 4): 0.3270 V
Engine torque: 16.1 Nm
Desired engine torque: 15.6 Nm
Engine load: 5.00 Kg/h
Intake pressure: 290 mbar
Air pressure (calculated): 302 mbar
Idle air correction: 6551.9 %
Throttle angle: 2.5 deg.
Throttle position: 0.0 %
Throttle position (Track 1): 2.4 deg.
Throttle position (Track 2): 2.5 deg.
Throttle valve control: 46.6 %
Throttle position learning: Not requested
Throttle learning stage: In progress (2)
Electrically actuated throttle (recovery): Active
Lambda 1 signal (Pre-Cat.): 0.044 V
Lambda 1 signal (After-Cat.): 0.766 V
Lambda sensor 1 integrator: 0.98010
Lambda sensor 2 integrator: 1.00000
Lambda 1 status (Pre-Cat.): Closed loop
Lambda 1 status (After-Cat.): Open loop
Lambda 1 diagnosis (Pre-Cat.): System lean
Lambda 1 diagnosis (After-Cat.): System rich
Desired idle RPM: 700 rpm
Cam position: 0.00 deg.
Desired cam position: -2.00 deg.
VVT (phase variator): 0.0 %
Phase variator control: Closed loop
Phase variator position: Learned
Learned VVT tooth position (1): 104.50 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (2): 232.50 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (3): 283.56 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (4): 411.13 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (5): 464.13 deg.
Learned VVT tooth position (6): 641.50 deg.
Evaporation control valve opening: 0.0 %
Canister fill: 0.6 %
Gas pedal position: 0.0 %
Gas pedal position signal (Track 1): 0.7515 V
Gas pedal position signal (Track 2): 0.8003 V
Clutch pedal: Released
Clutch contact 2: Released
Brake pedal: Released
STOP&START function: OFF
STOP&START function request: OFF
STOP&START temporary deactivation status: Disabled
Brake booster vacuum switch: Closed
Cruise control switch:
Cruise control accelerate (+):
Cruise control decelerate (-):
Cruise control resume (RES):
Target cruise speed: km/h
A/C request:
A/C Compressor:
Fan speed: 0
Atmospheric pressure: 1004 mbar
Fuel consumption: 0.4884 l/h
Universal code: Received
Engine startup: Allowed
Ignition key position: MAR
Engine status: MAR
Gearbox type: Selespeed
Gear engaged: None/Neutral
Failure indicator light: Flashing

I plan to get readings for all gears while in motion at some point (it's actually my partner's car so relies on her being available!).

Cheers

 

[JUAN RAMON]

Many thanks

I found it very interesting. The readings confirms something that i heard during a dualogic course that i did. In the course they explained it for the CfC319 and i have confirmed that for the CFC328 is the same. They explained that when idling with car stopped, it is better for the clutch/gearbox to be in 1 or R than in N.

when idling in N you may think that the clutch is closed (like clutch pedal full released). "Pressure plate travel: aprox 18. But this is not the case, if you see the parameter "clutch pressure plate travel" you can see 11,359 that is fully open (like clutch pedal fully pressed).

When idling in 1 or R the clutch is not fully open 11,877, is like the clutch pedal would be a little released (but without sliping) like "waiting to start moving".

That is why, idling stopped, the clutch actuator suffers less in 1 or R than in N. Because in N, the clutch is fully open (clutch pedal fully pressed) and in 1 or R is less opened without clutch sliping (clutch pedal a little released).

When the car is stopped, the clutch is only closed (like clutch pedal fully released) when the engine is off (0 rpm)