Technical Offset

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Just been round the tire place and he hasnt been able to check my balance as he's too busy atm.

BUT he looked and said that because the tires stick out beyond the arches, its illegal and 3 points everytime i get caught:eek:

i asked is this to do with camber and he said nope, wrong offset. Easiest way round it is to get some arche extensions and rivet/glue on... which i dont really wanna do becuase it means money i don't have. So, is it possible to move the hub?

And has anyone else with the Cinq alloys had this trouble?
 
I think its to do with safety laws... like anything els ein the country. if you go past someone the tire could hit a pedestrian or cyclist... stupid i know

If i went for arches.. i'd either ruin a good condition car by riveting them on.. or have to rivet on, smooth, and spray. which i dont want to do. Perhaps if i had a project panda...
 
Sh!tbags... My Uno Turbo alloys stick out abot 10mm at the front... I haven't got them finally fitted yet but now I'm nervous. :(

Moving the hubs inboard to get the right offset would more than likley be more work than fitting wider arches I reckon, shortening propshafts and Omega axles etc.. would probably be necessary. Wider arches could be cool!! I'd probably be up for that... So where do we get them from and will we end up looking like PandaChavs:eek::D!!

Answers on a postcard!!

Luke. (y)
 
We have never had a problem with ours and we have had the same wheels on every panda we have had. Ours do stick out very slightly but we have just fitted Pirelli p700 tyres on the front and even thought they are the same size they are not as wide as the rear ones.

But we had nankang's all round before and never had a problem with them even when she went in for a mot.
 
I've got nankangs all round too. 165 width. only the top that sticks out at the front and none from the back. i'll investigate later!

Try looking for second hand pirelli p700s as they are not as wide. They are easier to get hold of rather than the nankangs so i am told from the tyre bloke that i take our fleet too.

You sure he was not pulling a fast one????
 
I'm only joking Jon!! :p

I've got Firestones (can't remember what size) on Uno Turbo Speedlines; Maybe Firstcar can help with my particular situation...

I do know that there is a Mini up my road with 7" Minilites and fat tyres that stick out about 2" from the widened arches that doesn't seem to have any problems...

So where can I get some big arches?? :confused:

Luke. (y)
 
I'm only joking Jon!! :p

I've got Firestones (can't remember what size) on Uno Turbo Speedlines; Maybe Firstcar can help with my particular situation...

I do know that there is a Mini up my road with 7" Minilites and fat tyres that stick out about 2" from the widened arches that doesn't seem to have any problems...

So where can I get some big arches?? :confused:

Luke. (y)

I think it might cause trouble if he gets pulled by the police. Trev would probably know, a lot of 4x4's put chunky tires on that stick out beyond arches.

I really dont wanna fabricate some arches... well i do, just dont wanna stick them on this panda.

Best way of producing arches will be some scrap rear arches i think. or a kit if you can get one.
 
It is illegal for the wheel/tyre to extend out of the bodywork.

You will get told off if a copper that's moody pulls you.
 
Here is the same wheels we have had on some of the "others"

They have all passed mot's with the wheels on. Never had a problem.
 

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A quick google search turned up this info, enjoy!


Council Directive 78/549/EEC of 12 June 1978 on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the wheel guards of motor vehicles

Article 6

This Directive is addressed to the Member States.

Done at Luxembourg, 12 June 1978.

For the Council

The President

K. OLESEN

ANNEX I

1. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS 1.1. The motor vehicle must be provided with wheel guards (parts of the bodywork, mudguards, etc.).

1.2. The wheel guards must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as possible, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

2. SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS 2.1. The wheel guards must meet the following requirements when the vehicle is in running order (see section 2.6 of Annex I to Directive 70/156/EEC) and the wheels are in the dead ahead position: 2.1.1. In the part formed by radial planes at an angle of 30º to the front and 50º to the rear of the centre of the wheels (see figure 1), the overall width (q) of the wheel guards must be at least sufficient to cover the total tyre width (b) taking into account the extremes of tyre/wheel combination as specified by the manufacturer and as indicated in section 5.2 of the certificate set out in Annex II. In the case of twin wheels, the total width over the two tyres (t) shall be taken into account. 2.1.1.1. For the purposes of determining the widths referred to in 2.1.1, the labelling (marking) and decorations, protective bands or ribs on tyre walls are not taken into account.

2.1.2. The rear of the wheel guards must not terminate above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres) and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel guard with this plane (point A, figure 1) must lie outside the median longitudinal plane of the tyre, or in the case of twin wheels the median longitudinal plane of the outermost tyre.

2.1.3. The contour and location of the wheel guards shall be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible ; and in particular within the part formed by the radial planes referred to in 2.1.1, they shall satisfy the following requirements: 2.1.3.1. the projection - situated in the vertical plane of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30 mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero at the radial planes specified in 2.1.1;

2.1.3.2. the distance © between the lower edges of the wheel guards and the axis passing through the centre of the wheels must not exceed 2r, "r" being the static radius of the tyre.

2.1.4. In the case of vehicles having adjustable suspension height, the abovementioned requirements must be met when the vehicle is in the normal running position specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

2.2. The wheel guards may consist of several components, provided no gaps exist between or within the individual parts when assembled.

2.3. The wheel guards must be firmly attached. However, they may be detachable either as a unit or in parts.
 
As far as i'm aware the actual part of the tyre which is not allowed to protude beyond the aches is the tread pattern on the tyre. I know that the euro boys get away with this as they stretch the side walls out on to wider rims in order to achieve the balloon type look. Very often the rim and sidewall is protruding from their cars.
 
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