General New member looking for advice! 1965 500F

Currently reading:
General New member looking for advice! 1965 500F

Lasafra

New member
Joined
Dec 20, 2023
Messages
2
Points
26
Location
london
Hello all! I am new to the forum and will appreciate any insight and tip. I learned to drive in my grandma's 1969 fiat 500F (the blue one pictured). Last week I bought a 1965 fiat 500F ottobulloni - the white one pictured - and will have it restored in Italy by my trusted mechanic before driving it back to London, and I need tips on what to do with the car! It has to be utilisable as a daily, though originality will always be appreciated - should I go down the 'restomod' route or keep it as faithful to the original as possible? I always wanted a 'blu medio' car, and though I wanted an F I love the seat covers from the L model. My question is should I keep it as it came from the factory and repaint it white with the period correct F red and cream interior, or should I make the car as I would like it: blu medio with a red L interior, red roof and knee guard, new seatbelts and painted wheels with whitewall tyres? Disc brakes at the front and updated suspensions and a synchromesh gearbox? I am a bit torn! What would have the most value on the resale market in the UK? Open to suggestions for other colour schemes too! I essentially have a blank canvas, as the car I bought, though it runs and drives, will be stripped to the metal and meticulously restored to remove all rust and ensure reliability (as i'll drive it up to the UK from italy over 5 days when it's ready in 5/6 months or so!)
Stay tuned for updates on the project and thank you in advance!
WhatsApp Image 2023-12-20 at 10.25.13.jpeg
WhatsApp Image 2023-12-20 at 10.27.45.jpeg
WhatsApp Image 2023-12-20 at 10.27.45 (2).jpeg
WhatsApp Image 2023-12-20 at 10.27.46 (2).jpeg
 
Last edited:
Wise not to think to much about resale values when deciding what you want to do with your car if you want to!
A) make its "yours" and

B) keep it for sometime!and drive it!!
If your gonna do the latter?- then i would make it how you want it! rather than worry about "originality" to much!

For my money Id speak with a specialist !and if you can afford it- fit a rebuilt & remanufactured larger capacity engine so as to make it safe and usable in modern conditions.
What ever you decide i wish you well with the project and welcome you to the forums!
 
Wise not to think to much about resale values when deciding what you want to do with your car if you want to!
A) make its "yours" and

B) keep it for sometime!and drive it!!
If your gonna do the latter?- then i would make it how you want it! rather than worry about "originality" to much!

For my money Id speak with a specialist !and if you can afford it- fit a rebuilt & remanufactured larger capacity engine so as to make it safe and usable in modern conditions.
What ever you decide i wish you well with the project and welcome you to the forums!
Thank you for the reply and welcome! Resale value wise I only cared to try not to lose too much money on the project 😅
I would do the drive from Italy up to the UK, then drive it every other day in London. I was looking at one that had a 126 engine already fitted in it, but I think it's best for me to keep the original engine with matching numbers and have it fettered with a little by my mechanic - he's a 500 specialist and my grandma's '69 F with the same engine (but rebuilt by my mechanic) has about 22hp and comfortable sits at 100km/h. I think i'll do it in light 'blu medio' with a red L interior then, and paint the wheels and go for a red roof. I never had an issue with the drum brakes being weak - is the disc conversion worth it? Cheers :)
 
Hi and welcome :) Sounds like a fun project!

Original spec will almost certainly have most resale value, but it sounds like you've talked yourself out of that already :)

It also sounds like you're planning to keep the car a good while, so I'd agree, why not get it as you want it.

The one thing I would say is, whilst it's apart, take the opportunity to get cavities, chassis, sills, wheel arches etc properly protected with a good quality cavity wax - and get it documented if you want to safeguard resale value.

The classic 500 section of this forum will have a good idea of rust spots, might have some views on disc brake conversion, and advice/encouragement generally:
 
Greetings!

So i went down nearly the exact same path as you on my 500 journey.
I had access and drove a stock 68 500f for nearly 2 years before biting the bullet and finding my own 500 which ended up being a full restoration.

A throughout the many drives and adventures with it i, got a feel for what i would want in my perfect 500 and this gave me time to help me choose and decided on how i wanted to build the best 500 for me.

Drivetrain: More power was definitely a requirement, where i live there's a lot of higher speed traffic, and i seriously needed the power to get up to the speed limit, no one drives under the speed limit here, and i needed a car that can reliably get up to 90km/h in a decent amount of time. This imo was the major shortcoming of the stock 500. I was almost to the point of modifying the stock engine in my friends 500 without even telling him lol!. there were moments that more power was a must. Obviously traffic average speed and road design varies allover the road, but doubling the power for example from 17hp to 30 transforms the car dramatically. Thus i am on the venture of constantly modifying the engine, but a prebuild r2r engine is also a option for many. If your worried about originality, i would say, keep the original engine untouched, and swap in a 650 or larger. Then just include the original 500 engine if you plan to sell.

Transmission: I personally enjoy the feedback and simplistic feel of the non synco box, thus why i left it in, but if i were to daily drive, especially in city stop and go traffic, you are right, a synco box would be a must i would say. I live out in the country side, so even though high speeds are required, im not constantly shifting thru gears, and yes at times it would be handy to have a synco box, im going to ride out the non synco for now.

Brakes: i installed a disc brake conversion on my car; mainly because it tied in with some of the front suspension modifications and it was more of a want, then a need. I found that a properly serviced 500 drum brake system worked decently in the 500. Maybe i would do a dual master cylinder upgrade on a stock system just for reliability sake, but other then that, i dont see the need for upgrading the front unless your doing high speed driving consistently. Just make sure you have all fresh brake hardware, and then maybe upgrade if your not satisfied.

Exterior: I would say go for it, choose the colour you want. Yes you might have a bit of a guilty continence as you veer away from the "originality" of the car, i thought so to as i began to modify and do custom things to the car. I did want to keep it original, but i also was conflicted with building the car that i wanted. The reality came to a few points for me: 1. they made millions of these; so less harm in modifying one to your liking. 2. its not a D or an N model (if i began to heavily modify a D or an N model, then i would have certian reservations). but the F in my opionion was smack dab in the middle as far as non special model raity goes. 3. There is a tasteful way to customize these cars while still keeping their original charm, this is the path i planned to take with mine. All in all, a good quality restoration has value on the resale market, and if done right, and budgets kept in line during the resto, the car shouldnt be a loss if you plan to sell.

Paint: This is where i had conflictions in what i wanted. Iirc my car was originally Blu Turchese, but i just wasnt having it. It wasnt bright enough for me. I wanted a colour that was traditional, but also very bright so it could easily be seen in traffic. I also had and wanted a red interior, and that kinda crossed out red or yellow for me (didnt want a mcdonalds colour car). So the blue i chose was close to the original, but definetly had more pop. When your choosing a colour spend the time, go to dealerships and see what colours you like in person. A car can be painted absoulety anything you can think of. I drove around and visited a few porsche and lamborgini dealers to see what certian colours looked like in person. Then worked my way from there.

Interior: My 500 originaly had the 2 tone red/white as you described. I personally loved the style as simple as it was, it really dates the car to the mid/early 60's and i wanted to keep true to it as possible. I went way overboard with a full custom interior, and questoned my sanity of why not just order some pre-made skins. but it was all for the complete final package. I would suggest in my own opinion, stick with the factory 2 tone, it just works with the car.
 
You do whatever makes you happy. Especially when it comes down to those cosmetic touches, one man will love a bold contrasting interior colour the next would always choose the more subtle complimentary colour scheme, you can't win by trying to please others.

From what I've seen, in the UK market general 'modernisation' and improvements to 500s that are still in keeping with the original character of the vehicle (e.g. swap for 650 engine and sychro gearbox rather than swap for crazy motorcycle engine!) don't seem to hurt values. There will be a small number of truly original concourse vehicles for whom originality is everything, but for the rest of us with 'normal' cars then things that make it easier to live seem to go down well.

My 500 is also an 8 bolt '65 F. I find the standard brakes to be fine in normal UK traffic. It took a few weeks of driving to really get used to the non-synchro box, but once I had then it was just second nature, half of the time I don't even notice I'm double de-clutching and rev matching now, it's as natural and automatic as driving any other car. Of course more power is always welcome... but you'll notice there need for it most when you get on to roads with a limit faster than 40. In and around town my stock 500 engine keeps up with traffic fine, albeit that I'm flat out and everyone else is just pootling along half asleep... that's where the fun in though, trying to keep up! Urban driving has never been so enjoyable as in my 500!

When you say 'utilisable daily', obviously that can mean many things to many people, I've no doubt my 500 will start every morning and I regularly use it to run errands around town or run out to see friends family etc, 'daily' car tasks, but that's very different than asking a classic like this to jump on the motorway for an hour 5 days a week to commute come rain or shine or salt. How original or modified your car should be, could be influenced by how you want to use it. 🙂

One of the few modifications my car has received that has helped with usability is some LED headlight bulbs, which make a big difference when driving at night.
 
Great that you guys are keeping these lovelys on the road! (y)
my final say on this would be this;)
Life is short!- too short to beat yourself up with should I , shouldnt I .😕

Truth is i feel you should do what makes YOU! feel good and satisfied! and not fret to much about if its "original " or "perfect" or even "right":unsure:.

Sometimes doing what you WANT! and not what others think/expect/ or impose on you! is the best medicine for your soul and at times your soul is more important than your mind!😌.
Most people Hate Yellow cars I happen to love em! and dont care if others think the red leather interior in mine is garish!, crass ,or in poor taste! I happen to love it AND THATS THE POINT!(y) follow your heart it often knows the path better than your Brain!:rolleyes:
All the best and happy new year!😋
 
Morning, so the old words spring to mind. Your car, your choice.

Look, its not a £5 million Ferrari that has to be 100% original.

When I was spec'ing mine out, I wanted a car that I would use often. I intended to drive the car a lot and therefore, wanted to make it as usable and reliable as possible. I also wanted some other upgrades that would enable the max power / potential of the engine. I have a R model, so have a 594cc engine fitted as standard. However I also remembered that she's not a high performance sports car, so did not go down the route of bigger tyres, disc brakes suspension etc.

Then during restore, it was a case of what colours to use for interior and exterior. This was the hardest decision to make. Looking at the standard Fiat colours, nothing was floating my boat. So I went off-piste. And boy, am I glad I did, Porsche green by the way :)
We love our baby 500 and is such a summer car. Lots of love given by the Public.

So a listing of add on's as below and some pictures of Valentina. Oh yes, ALL 500's have to have a name!!

Have fun, keep us updated with the progress!

Rob

Electronic IgnitionTwin Sports Exhaust 28mm Weber Carb Abrath 4L Oil Pan
Synchronized gearbox Electronic Voltage RegSilicone spark plug leadsBiggest size / capacity battery
Electronic dash New ignition components. Plugs, rota, dist cap,coil.New clutch and cable.RHD lights fitted and correct wiring for turn signals.
Seat belts. Waste of time, never used, now removed.New fuel tank breathable capNew cooling flap thermostatNew oil dipstick
New gearstick, as the plastic bushes were gone, so could not select all gears.LED headlight bulbs fitted. Less current draw and much brighter.New fuel pump fitted. New fuel linesWhite wall tyres and L wheels
 

Attachments

  • IMG_3556.jpg
    IMG_3556.jpg
    3.5 MB · Views: 13
  • IMG_7873.jpg
    IMG_7873.jpg
    2.5 MB · Views: 18
  • IMG_8277.jpg
    IMG_8277.jpg
    3.7 MB · Views: 16
Back
Top