Technical Hello all and one problem with ignition lock

[Green]

Hello all!

I am new to this forum and so I will shortly introduce myself - I'm from Croatia, and I drive a 1.1 Fire Tipo. Newly acquired a month ago, I am mostly pleased with it, altough there is one thing that is bothering me..

Problem is in the ignition lock, more precisely in the lock cylinder where the key goes. My cylinder is badly worn and it takes a lot of wiggling the key around to be able to start the car, so I searched for a replacement lock cylinder and I found it. The problem is however that I cannot take it out of the plastic hub that carries the switch and steering. Manual says in order to extract the lock cylinder that you have to depress the pin on backside of the switch and then slide the cylinder out using the key to pull on it. I did so in all possible manners, I had wiggled it left n right, i have pryed at it with a screwdriver from every concievable angle, i have lightly tapped on the casing and it wont move. The same goes for the one in the car (the bad one). Is there anything that I'm missing here, like a hidden screw or something? It seems so stuck like it's hung up on something. It should get out easily, however it does not, and I do not want to destroy the new (used but good) cylinder. Has anyone ever did something like changing that?

Thank you in advance for answers.

 

[T14086]

Have you tried it with the ignition in the first position?

 

[Green]

Hi,

I have tried all positions but as manual says, the pin cannot be depressed if lock is not in MAR position. So it si pretty self-explanatory, in any other position if you cannot press the pin in, it means it is not the right position. That part works ok, but the one about exctracting the lock is bothering me. It says it should come out easily enough, yet I have almost destroyed the good cylinder by pulling on the key! That much force and it wont go out, means something is holding it, or it's simply jammed, altough I do not see what can it be - not corrosion, since cylinder is metal and casing is plastic. Anyone have any expirience with changing lock cylinders?

 

[Green]

Cmon people, surely someone has stumbled on this before?

 

[dazzo666]

Hi there,
Ive broke a few tipo's and never found to have this problem you are experiencing, Usually they just slide out easy, Are you making sure the securing pin which holds the barrel into the casing is fully de-pressed, As far as iam aware from experience this is the only thing that holds it in....
If you still have no joy you will have to remove the whole assembly and replace, Steering wheel removal ect,, Good luck.. Darren

 

[Green]

That is exactly what was the case all the time before, now it isn't. I know there is only that pin holding it in, but thought it might be something else as it seems really stuck. I'm leaning away from replacing everything as that means if this lock ever fails that I have to chang the whole thing yet again.... In essence, I dislike repairing something with a broken part. It works yes, but if it cannot be separated, then something is really wrong with it. Thanks for your answer.

 

[dazzo666]

Any luck yet???

 

[Green]

At last yes!!! Me and my brother got down to it and I had pounded the lock with a hammer from underside - using a screwdriver and he was pulling on the key while pushing away at the frame of the car - and after couple of hours of this, it popped out! I could not believe it got out - but I finally put that lock in place of my broken one and now I can drive normally at last. Been a long time - or at least so it seems - for something that ought to be simple.

Thanks for help to everyone!

 

[Hellcat]

What is the 1.1 like? They were never released here in the UK.

 

[Green]

Well its a fire engine, and as such it has smooth and calm nature (now when it had almost all the work done, still waiting for a timing belt change), pulls well, nice momentum - for a 1.1, and doesnt take too kindly to revs over 6500. However when driven in its range, and it pulls best at around 2500 to 4500 rpm, it can be very elastic and fun to drive. Coupled with the fact that it's pulling around 1 ton of weight, I'd say it goes just fine. From 0-100 kmh it takes about 13 to 14 secs, which is very good for this engine and chasis. Over 100 kmh it takes it's time to pull, but it pulls steady to a max of about 170 on a flat road. Fuel consumption is from 5 (open road) to 7 (in town) l of fuel per 100 km. Most of all, I'm pleased with fuel economy.

Compared to my old 128, which had sohc 1.1, this fire engine doesn't like rpm's too much, it goes faster when quickly shifting then if you try to wind it up. Where sohc design likes to spin well over 8000 rpm, but lacks the momentum, fire is exactly the opposite - it dislikes high rpm, but has a noticeable momentum in the middle of it's rpm range. And not to forget - fire lasts for at least 300 000 km if cared for properly. Old sohc could hardly if ever pass the 150 000 km mark without needing a stripdown and rebuild. All said and done, I really like the nature of this fire engine, especially it's consumption, as it enables me to drive much more without being broke


And not to forget - Tipo is much more spacious and handles way better then the 128. I also had a Bravo for some time, and for all it's worth - I believe that even as a succesor for Tipo, it is in all respects a step backwards. I could not believe Tipo has more space inside, better grip and and overall much better driving expirience then Bravo. Where in Bravo I was cramped with plastics of the interior, here they do not bother me, where Bravo was sliding around on the road, Tipo feels planted like a tank . Also, Bravo gave off a feeling of slightly wavering, or floating around - mind that was with perfect suspension. Even with half of old parts in Tipo, it still feels much better in motion. Not to say Bravo is bad, but once I have driven a Tipo, I would not go back to Bravo.

And yes, I have a Sedici sign on the back haha :slayer:

With all that being said, it is not beautiful specially, but sure I do like it a lot! It's practical and big, runs on fumes, and grabs the road exceptionally

 

[Hellcat]

Thanks for that. Although not sure I agree with the Sedicivalvole badge on the tailgate - unless it's a 16v 1.1

We have Tipo, old Bravo and new Bravo in our house. Without a doubt the Tipo is more spacious however the old Bravo has it on looks. Handling should be the same since they have similar weight distribution and dimensions - maybe your Bravo needed the same treatment your Tipo has just had

 

[Green]

No prob. Yeah, well the Sedici sign is to scare off the competition haha So that they wont even try to overtake me hehe. And for Bravo - I had all of the suspension done when I got it, but it just didn't have that "planted" feeling Tipo has. Also a few of my friend had Bravo's and theirs had the same feel when I took em for a test ride. Maybe softer springs, or something...?

It might be interesting to have a 16v 1.1...hmm, maybe I could mix something up from 1.2 16v

 

[maddogmorg]

fire lasts for at least 300 000 km if cared for properly. Old sohc could hardly if ever pass the 150 000 km mark without needing a stripdown and rebuild.

mine is overdue a rebuild then (actually it probably is LOL)

 

[Green]

mine is overdue a rebuild then (actually it probably is LOL)

You drive a fire engined car with more then 300 000 km on the clock? That is a general figure, I saw some going up to 400 000 with good care, however every fire should be able to turn in at least 300 000. They are not hard to rebuild, even parts are quite cheap as of now, and that is good. I had my timing belt changed today, and somehow I was not suprised to see that timing of the engine was way off - someone while changing the belt before has missed the phase by 2 tooths. Now this is correct, and with new belt, engine punches nicely, even more then I was expecting from 1.1, it can sure pull now!

Timed it again, this time at about 11 sec to 100, which is really good for this car and engine. Id say even better then really good, didn't really expect it to go that fast

Oil - the engine had about 2 litres in it, so I had changed that for fresh 4 liters, and a new oil filter. Now the smell of burned up barbecue has dissapeared while driving too

All in all, the car is progressing along nicely, it just needs some more time and it will be really nice to drive again. All of this is offcourse, courtesy of the previous owner, which as I said, had no idea what maintenance stands for.

 

[maddogmorg]

noooo i drive the 1.4 which is the sohc engine on almost 120,000 miles. it's not bad just a bit small for the car imo. especially if it's a full car and going up hill. sometimes it's very quick. but sometimes it isn't but i think that's the carb.

how much space is there under the bonnet of the 1.1? with the 1.4 i've got enough space to probably hide someone under there. i'd imagine the 1.1 would be even smaller?

 

[Green]

Oho - a 1.4! Yep, 120 000 miles is a lot for them.

About space - I have enough space to fit two of them Not a problem there. All I can say is - spacious