Ducato Gearbox oil change / top up

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Ducato Gearbox oil change / top up

Ian Prior

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Hello all


This is my first post - and I'm thoroughly confused by the user guide! I can't see the new 'post tab' anywhere..... How and where would I post the below question, please?




Hello all



Our daughter has just acquired a 1986, 2 litrepetrol Ducato. How do you check and top up the gearbox oil - and how would you changethe oil, please? Thanks!


Ian.

 
That’s an old one Could it have the Talbot gearbox in it with dip stick on top diff housing ? Any pictures of box give us all more clues what’s in it
 
To confirm what Whine0 wrote: My 1989 Talbot 2L petrol had a dipstick on the top of the gearbox* easier to access from underneath; I never needed to top up but the opening was wide enough for this.

*and what a useful feature it was; my present van doesn't even have a level plug:(
 
Sounds like that could be the one dip stick on diff housing they are classic!!
 
if memory serves me correctly you remove the reverse switch and top up from there it will be unusual if the level has gone down so when you drain old oil,, drain it into a measure and refill exactly same amount. you maybe well advised to contact TalbotOC forum in view of the age of your van as they are the boys for the older fiat and Peugeot stuff as you have the old Peugeot 405 petrol engine except that its the wrong way round as it was originally designed as left hand drive but when it was sold to UK right hand drive they had to turn the engine round to make it work.. that's why you get hiccupping going up steep hills because carb is back to front so main jet is at front of bowl instead of back thus old pumps sometimes cannot keep up enough flow to keep level high enough. hope you find this info helpful,, enjoy your van
 
Make sure the 2 drain plugs are fitted with copper washers and are tight. Remove the gearbox breather [5/8" AF] to fill the gearbox with oil. The reversing light switch is not the place for this unless you like a mess, as the 5th/reverse gear selector shaft is right below and in the way of your oil feed pipe. Remove the dipstick from the crown wheel casing to allow displaced air out as the oil pours in. I made a pressure oil filler using a discarded air suspension unit from a 44ton trailer, into which I pour the chosen grade and quantity of oil, pressurise it to 30psi, insert the feed pipe into the breather hole, and open the tap, blowing in the oil in seconds. There is some discussion regarding oil grade and quantity for these gearboxes. I pumped in 2 litres of SAE140EP gear oil. The level is somewhat above the max mark on the dipstick, which does not worry me, but you don't want it to run out of the first motion shaft onto the clutch, so BEWARE!

It's worth reading the JKTowers article about the Talbot Express gearchange linkage, which uses a very similar gearbox. I agree with his comments regarding the quantity of oil needed, but disagree about the grade of oil he suggests. A gearbox in a loaded van or coachbuilt caravan in a warm climate, needs a heavy duty gear oil of EP type, not a lightweight oil. The viscosity of heavy oils seems to fall off after a few months use, easing the initially heavy gearchange. I also agree with his suggestion to keep the speed down in 5th gear and to change down early on hills.

As an aside, I disagree about the oil Fiat recommend [Selenia] for the 1929cc turbo diesel engine. In all my vehicle engines diesel or petrol, I use Cepsa or Ertoil SHPD SAE15W40 mineral oil formulated for hardworking turbo diesel truck engines up to 600hp, and I never have engine trouble put down to lubrication issues. Bought in 50lt. barrels it's cheap enough to change often. Synthetic oils have suffered from patchy formulation in the past and are also beyond my pocket, so I keep well clear of them. In a cold wet climate like UK condensation and acidic buildup ruins any engine oil within 5000 miles anyway, be it synthetic or mineral.

I wrote the above paragraphs in my 'How To' regarding the Ducato 10 gearbox so here it is again, copied and pasted. Fiats often come from the factory with insufficient gearbox oil, so be careful, it may never have been changed or even checked before.
 
That’s an old one Could it have the Talbot gearbox in it with dip stick on top diff housing ? Any pictures of box give us all more clues what’s in it
Thanks to all for your help! I'll take some photos of the gearbox the next time I'm with the vehicle.


As I'm very new to this Ducato lark, and I've not had much of a chance (yet!) to have a good look round underneath the vehicle, can you tell me - is the clutch actuation hydraulic, or cable? Thanks again!
 
Hi if it’s the talbot box it’s cable you will see the clutch arm and cable under gearbox.
 
Join Talbot owners club and get advice on synthetic gearbox oil and level. its recommended to fill oil above level mark to aid life of gearbox and lubricate 5 th gear. I use Synthetic oil and had no problems in 6 + years with 1989 petrol Ducato motorhome.
good luck.
 
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