Technical Fiat regata70 engine trouble

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Technical Fiat regata70 engine trouble

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Hi!

I have a FIAT Regata70 Petrol car and i have been having heating problems since sometime.
i got a mechanic check the Water pump, radiator, radiator fan and they are good and work fine. My mechanic says the Gasket is fine too. I find when I drive my car for about 5km or so my water hoses become very bloated with such pressure and at one point had a hose blown off as well. i had my radiator custom built with copper as the original plastic cracked and started leaking.

i had removed the thermostat valve removed as well. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my car please? I am clueless..
 
Such excess pressure in the cooling system (in such a short space of time)tells me there is probably a head gasket leak, and you are pumping gases from combustion into the cooling system, and/ or you have a very faulty radiator cap that doesn't release the pressure when it should ... really the only place such excess pressure could come from is past the head gasket and into the cooling system. Get a second opinion about the head gasket, a "leak down" test is the go.

SteveC
 
Hi steveC,

Thanks, I'll double check witha second opinion. Could you give me an idea how a "Leak Down Test" is done?

I checked the oil for water residues and found none, I checked the radiator water for oil residues and found none.

Cheers!

D.
 
Leaking compression into the cooling system doesn't mean you will have water in the oil or oil in the water, and as a general rule doesn't happen in Fiat SOHC engines, as the oil and water galleries are quite separate.

A leak down , or cylinder leakage test is "the" definative test to diagnose several engine problems.

The device I use is a Snap-on (MT324) cylinder leakage tester.

I have four flexible tubes which are screwed into the sparkplug holes and seat on an "o" ring. On the other end they have quick connectors to attach the single hose outlet of the MT324 into.

The MT324 has a regulator, which is used to zero the graduated scale. This reads from 0 to 100%

Regulated air pressure, which is being supplied from an external source (mine being a compressor at 90 psi - but I have seen them run from bottled air.), is fed thru the regulator and thru this gauge then on into the engines cylinder via the spark plug hole.

The piston of the cylinder being tested MUST (repeat MUST) be at TDC (ignition).Removing the cam covers to see the position of cam lobes makes this job easier too. When you have the engine at TDC, put the car into gear and apply the handbrake to stop the engine rotating.

On engines that are leaked down often, (like a race engine) simply mark the flywheel (x19) or the front pulley (124) to have a notch opposite the original timing mark. this gives tdc for 2 and 3

The gauge indicates a % loss of the total pressure being supplied ,ie thruput of air... no thruput = no loss (the Snap-on device will work from 40 thru to 90 psi supplied pressure.)

The Supplied air can only leak :

A: past the intake valve... open the throttle butterfly and you will hear this, Only zero leakage is acceptable here

B: past the exhaust valve..... ear to the tail pipe.... small leak and you will hear the ocean .. like a seashell.... bad leak more like a howling wind! Once again only zero leakage is acceptable here too.

C:past the ring pack and into the crankcase..... you can listen to the breather hose, see the plume of oily smoke sometimes. On some occasions you will hear it howling back up the oil drainback passages thru the camboxes!!! you will never get this to nothing!!! its physically impossible! but you can get very
little.... this is important....and one of the secrets of engine building!

actually there is nothing secret its called preparation!!

D: past the cylinder head gasket and into the cooling system....you MUST have the radiator header tank (124) or the remote (x19) filled to the brim. ( move the small drain pipe up for an x19)

note: a very small leak may not appear as bubbles in the radiator on all cars.!!!!

the air instead, may simply displace some of the water that is there.... forming a pocket in the head possibly...so you must fill up before you start (a tip with dohc is to check cyl 4 first 9/10 of head gasket leaks are here!!) and you will see coolant overflow, if any air is getting in there. Sometimes it can look like a geyser from the top of the radiator so beware hot fluids!!. Results of this can be nasty so hopefully we all never see this!!

and finally

E: past the gasket and and into an adjoining cylinder....I have four flex extensions , so I simply put a dob of spit on the end ... like a car tyre valve check.....if it bubbles up you've found the problem... sometimes between 2 and 3 on 128/x19 sohc I have found this .

You can also get a pretty good idea with a simple fitting (no gauge) that supplies compressed air thru the plug hole... any leakage will still be audible / visible, but you wont be able to quantify how much is leaking as a %age.

SteveC
 
Hi SteveC

Thanks a Million all the way from Sri Lanka!!. The cause is the Head Gasket. Hmm well i'll have to head my way to the Garage to have it replaced.

How much would a gadget that you mentioned will cost? We dont have such equipments here in Sri Lanka.

By the way what's the your ride?

Cheers!

Dirhaan
 
If the garage isn't a Fiat specialist, chances are that they won't have a couple of the tools needed to do the job... as to re torque the cylinder head on the sohc engines, you need a couple of specialised spanners to get to the head bolts with the cambox still fitted.... it can be done without them, but involves removing the cambox to have acess to the bolts, and then refiting the cam housing and usually re adjusting the valve lash clearances... which can take some time to get right (if you don't work on them often).

I think my Snap-on cylinder leak tester cost me a couple of hundred dollars, but I'm a professional mechanic and can justify it as I use the tool several times a month.

My ride(s), All Fiat (of course) X19 with 2000 twin cam engine, X19 1500 5 speed, 131 2000 Superbrava (wife's car), 1968 850 sedan, 1969 850 coupe and a 1970 128 sedan .... and my long term project is a 1978 124CS (spyder)

SteveC
 
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