Tuning engine swaps??
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Tuning engine swaps??
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People usually put in some of the other fiat engines in the front (check out the FAQs in your signature).
Steps are as follows....
1: Remove cinq engine
2: Hang civic engine on crane
3: Lower civic engine slowly into engine bay.
4: Wonder why it won't fit
5: Try again from different angle
6: See that the packet of rizlas keep getting stuck down each side of the engine.
7: Realise its not going to work and put the civic engine back in the civic.
8: Read the FAQ's and drop a 1242cc Punto engine in
9: Aks if its possible to turbo a cinq
ye ive looeked at that but from the faq's and other searching ive done there seems t be a big jump from the 1.4 16v to something mid/rear engined and rwd but cant find anything inbetween, is it cause its just not physicaly possible to fit anything in the front ?
Or is it that its not sensible? Small cars only need small engines to out perform large cars with large engines
such as??
my civic is around 300bhp and a little over 1 ton and im thinking of similar or better performance for a cinq or some other tiny car but preferably a cinq
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once you pass the 150 HP mark in the cento (if you manage to pass it), adding more HP won't matter much because you'll be spinning the wheels in almost every gear
It's only ~750 kg and no electronic skid/slip/launch control, so having 200 or 300 hp in a cento won't make much difference probably, not in the practical sense.
Edit: and 150 hp is quite doable with a turbo.
It's only ~750 kg and no electronic skid/slip/launch control, so having 200 or 300 hp in a cento won't make much difference probably, not in the practical sense.
Edit: and 150 hp is quite doable with a turbo.
As they say, anythings possible. But to fit an engine in the front of a cinq thats not from the same 'family' of engines then you will be looking at quite a bit of fabrication work and may involve re-making the front of the car. If you are up for that, then go for it. But if I had a 300bhp civic already then I wouldn't even want to touch my cinq, and I love my car.
it's because anything bigger than the 1.4 16v doesn't drop onto the mounts that are already there (if it even physically fits without cutting the inner wings), and won't mate up to the gearbox that is already in the car. once you start changing gearboxs to suit other engines you need to faff with new shafts, hubs, gear change kits etc etc ie, it gets very expensive / a pita to do.
The honda block will make it so heavy at the front it will just understeer everywhere. But i do love the idea of a 300bhp cinq, so if you want a B16B turbo'd civic engine from an EF civic running around 310 bhp then my mates got one in his drive he wants rid off (p.s. it comes with a free EF civic)
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jamie
cheers
jamie
if its a b16b he should have bo trouble shifting it and they are worth a bit tooThe honda block will make it so heavy at the front it will just understeer everywhere. But i do love the idea of a 300bhp cinq, so if you want a B16B turbo'd civic engine from an EF civic running around 310 bhp then my mates got one in his drive he wants rid off (p.s. it comes with a free EF civic)
cheers
jamie
The honda block will make it so heavy at the front it will just understeer everywhere. But i do love the idea of a 300bhp cinq, so if you want a B16B turbo'd civic engine from an EF civic running around 310 bhp then my mates got one in his drive he wants rid off (p.s. it comes with a free EF civic)
cheers
jamie
I doubt the D series block is much heavier than the 1.4 16v block!
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What the hell are you smoking 300bhp FWD cinq. That will just end in a big orange fireball and loss of life :tosser:
How many times do I have to say this? :bang:once you pass the 150 HP mark in the cento (if you manage to pass it), adding more HP won't matter much because you'll be spinning the wheels in almost every gear
It's only ~750 kg and no electronic skid/slip/launch control, so having 200 or 300 hp in a cento won't make much difference probably, not in the practical sense.
Edit: and 150 hp is quite doable with a turbo.
Ultimate power isn't the problem, excessive torque levels are. So produce 130lbft at 8000 rpm & you've got controllable access to 200bhp, produce 260lbft at 4000rpm & the only place you'll be going quickly is a ditch.
1.4 16v plus box is around the 150kg marker with fluids.
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I think there's something in the massive 1.4 thread. It'll be -- I'd guess -- less than 20kg more than the 1108.
Putting the engine in the back is by far and away the only sensible solution with 200bhp +. Probably an easier solution, too.
Putting the engine in the back is by far and away the only sensible solution with 200bhp +. Probably an easier solution, too.
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Sorry, that's what i meant, but power doesn't come without torque, and if the engine has 300 bhp, then i wouldn't expect it to be torqueless, hence it would be undrivable.
But it's up to the engine developer/tuner where they put that torque! Now it's more than possible to make an engine which produces peek torque in the mid to late 6s, possibly early 7s & peek power is in the late 7s/early 8s while making around 80% of that down at 3k. What you find is that though the car won't feel as quick as something that the sames torque down in the 3k area it will actually be quicker A to B when you push on because the thrust delivery (what it's really all about) is more progressive & in line with your real needs.
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With all that you said being correct, i still think an engine capable of producing 300 bhp would be a wrong choice for a cento
