Technical Ducato bluish white smoke

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Technical Ducato bluish white smoke

Danny Mondo

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I’ve got a Fiat Ducato 100 multi jet 2.2L (2009). I’m getting quite a lot of blueish white smoke when driving round town and idling, also using more oil than normal. It seems to be happening more frequently, and quite smelly in cab. I did have a couple of jets replaced last year. It was ok for a while but has never been right.
Has anyone else had similar problems?
 

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If it is really pungent smell that sting the eyes could be the DPF trying to regen. Any warning lights etc?
I had a high mileage Citroen 220 k I bought cheap that did that, in the end I took off the DPF cleaned it with commercial oven cleaner and strong bleach in a bucket then blasted it with a commercial steam cleaner, got the computer to think it was a new DPF and it is running fine.
If it is that and you are richer than me you can always fit a new DPF ;)
 
If it is really pungent smell that sting the eyes could be the DPF trying to regen. Any warning lights etc?
I had a high mileage Citroen 220 k I bought cheap that did that, in the end I took off the DPF cleaned it with commercial oven cleaner and strong bleach in a bucket then blasted it with a commercial steam cleaner, got the computer to think it was a new DPF and it is running fine.
If it is that and you are richer than me you can always fit a new DPF ;)
Cheers for that info bugsy. I’m not sure my van has a DPF as it’s in the grey area Sept 2009 when some had and some hadn’t. It’s going for checkup next week so will post outcome.Two garages that I’ve told the symptoms too reckon it needs a new turbocharger. Where is the DPF situated incidentally?
Cheers
Danny
 
Not sure if an 09reg will have a DPF. Possibly just CAT.

The engine looks to me to be running very rough, but also leaking oil, which also appears to be burning off the engine. Hard to tell to much from the short vid, and the other vid, and picture didn’t help at all, as I’m not sure they are associated with topic.
 
I couldn't see the video at all so just going by what is written.
I think some do and some don't at that age, my daughters 09 Tiguan doesn't, my 07 Skoda Scout does. If it is just a basic particulate filter, though they can block, they have no extra pipes fitted so just look like a silencer and you are unlikely to get any warning lights or error codes.
I would expect a DPF filter to be fitted just after the exhaust manifold or as close as possible subject to fitting space, (the Citroen C3 was just after the manifold and many larger vehicles have a down pipe, then fit it where the transmission tunnel would have been on older cars) they have a small bore pipe just before the "silencer type" box and another just after to measure the exhaust pressure before and after the DPF to check if it is blocking, if the ECU detects via the those two pipes and electrical sensors that the difference in pressure is wrong then it will trigger a "regen" to clean it, or if badly blocked will throw up error codes and "limp home" issues.
On my vehicle it was trying to clean repeatedly without success hence the horrible pungent whiteish smoke that really made my eyes water, until I fixed it. It had spent the last 220K miles as a taxi doing short local journeys, the worst thing for a modern small diesel, short stop start trips so engine never ran long enough to clean the DPF. Obviously at that mileage the DPF must have been off before, just not recently. Still can't complain as it was one of the reasons I could buy a 2012 car for £300;)
Older design diesels were perfect for short stop start journeys being very economical in that environment, that is until emission laws made them the totally opposite. In the early days of petrol engine catalysts when doing short journeys they had the same problem reaching a correct operational temperature and would fail Mots when brought in cold. There is a heater element in the O2 sensors fitted to modern petrol engine catalysts I believe. Which goes to show that between environmental scientists and car manufacturers they don't know where the average car is driven!!!
By the way if as you say one garage is suggesting the turbo is at fault, you would have either black smoke as the turbo would not be giving enough air/oxygen to run correctly or "blue" oily smoke if the seals/bearings had gone on the turbo allowing oil under pressure past the impeller bearings to get into the inlet. This can usually be felt by excessive movement on the impeller if you take the hose off and waggle it.
There are many companys offering to clean DPF filters , some good some bad!
 
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To the best of my knowledge the 2198 cc 100 multijet fitted in 2009 was to Euro 4 standards, and would have an exhaust catalyst and EGR setup but no DPF in the exhaust system. This engine has Ford origins. Euro 5 came in on 1st Jan 2011 in the UK, but there was nothing to stop earlier adoption by manufacturers. Your vehicle registration document might list the emission standard.

If leaking oil is dripping onto the hot exhaust, it will burn off and cause smoke which you will notice more at low speed as there is no slipstream to take it away. Maybe that is part of the problem. Can you see from looking in the mirror whether the smoke is coming from the "tailpipe" or somewhere else ?
 
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