Technical Cruise control - or lack of it

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Technical Cruise control - or lack of it

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Hi, I have a 2003 2.2 jtd Eleganza. Cruise control has worked fine up until yesterday when I tried it, and nowt. No light on the dash, and doesn't work at all. Last time it was used - the cruise control - was probably around 3 months ago. Anyone know if there is something simple than can be checked before I start getting too complicated?

thanks
 
Well there must be a switch that detects 4th and 5th gear are selected as cruise only works in those so I'd start there as it's the thing that gets the most use. Then I'd chekc the actual stalk switch.
 
Thanks for the reply. But I thnk it must be switch related as the light on the dash should be on regardless of gear....will check the fuse just in case. Otherwise trade it for something that has it - essential you know!
 
Operational Description

The Cruise Control function is managed by the engine control unit M010.
All the Cruise Control function commands are supplied by the steering wheel node control unit M093 to the Body computer node M001. The signal travels via the CAN which connects the two control units.
The steering wheel node control unit M093 receives a supply (pin 5 connector A) through the line protected by fuse F11, located in the body computer node M001; it receives a supply via the CAN (pin 6 connector A) from the line protected by fuse F16, located in the body computer node M001.
The commands are sent, from the latter, via the CAN, to the ABS control unit M050 and from there to the engine management control unit M010 (pins E3, E4 connector B).
The command from the steering wheel node control unit activates the system and communicates the constant speed to be maintained.
The system is disengaged as soon as brake pedal I030 or clutch pedal I031 are pressed. If the accelerator pedal is pressed, the system is disengaged temporarily and reset when the pedal is released.
The accelerator pedal K055 has two built-in potentiometers (one main one and one safety one) and is connected to pins G3, C2, G2 and H3 of connector A of M010.
Clutch pedal switch I031 and the safety switch on the brake pedal for cruise control I035 supply a signal to indicate engagement has taken place to pins E3 and E4 of connector B of M010.
The two switches receive a supply from the ignition-controlled line protected by fuse F18 of the body computer M001.
The "redundant" switch I035 is the "normally closed" type (when the pedal is pressed, the switch contact opens): the system checks the consistency of the "pedal pressed" information in this way.
The warning light is switched on by the milometer warning lights node M140 which communicates with the instrument panel E050 and the body computer node M001 via the CAN.
The instrument panel E050 and the milometer warning lights node M140 receive a supply via the CAN (pin 13 of E50 and pin 4 of M140) through the line protected by fuse F24 of the body computer M001.

The above is a description of how the cruise control system works, which may help you find your problem. I would check the switches on the clutch and brake pedals first as any failure by these will inhibit cruise control function.
 
Thanks for that. Looks a bit complicated so I hope it's a fuse or I will be living without it!
 
It is often mechanical items such a switches, rather than the electronics, that cause problems. In your situation, I would have thought it worthwhile to check the switches immediately above the clutch and brake pedals. If these are not working properly, the body control computer will not switch on the cruise control lamp on the indicator cluster above the steering wheel and will inhibit the cruise control function.

Access to these can be obtained by removing the plastic stowage box (the one with the diagnostic socket) below the steering wheel. Four plastic tags - one at each corner - have to be prised up to release the stowage box. Remove the small panel with spare fuses attached to it, to the right of the stowage box, so that you can free the diagnostic socket from the box in order to remove it. Once the stowage box is removed you will see the three pedal switches and have good access to them.

Remove one switch connection at a time and check its operation by pressing the appropriate pedal, with a multimeter (on Ohms) connected across its terminals. (If you don't have a multimeter an improvised continuity tester can be made using a torch battery and bulb) Remember, one of the switches on the brake assembly should be 'closed' when the brake pedal is in the 'up' position.
 
Thank you for the simpler explanation! This makes more sense to me and is something I can do. Will have a bash over the weekend. Again, many thanks for taking the time to post.
 
Hi all
Our 2004 petrol ulysse Eleganza has the same problem, makes you wonder if these electrical items have a self destruct time limit built into them, ours also has issues with the headlights switching on and off when the light switch is in the off position.
I think its time to say goodbye to our ulysse, shame has been a nice reliable car for the three years we have owned it.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if you'ree right. It is a well designed car but with genuinely rubbish components. French you know! Trouble is, what do you replace it with?
 
I'd have to chip in with our experience.
Bought new in 2003 and 18 months of various non critical warranty fixes (well beta testing the car it seemed) non of which made the car unreliable.
We've since had it 9 years and 104 K miles and it's been the most reliable thing for us. The regular service things and a bit of faff with the DPF but we've never had limp mode or a non start. And never had to call a breakdown service.
For the money we paid it was a fantatsic buy.
 
It is often mechanical items such a switches, rather than the electronics, that cause problems. In your situation, I would have thought it worthwhile to check the switches immediately above the clutch and brake pedals. If these are not working properly, the body control computer will not switch on the cruise control lamp on the indicator cluster above the steering wheel and will inhibit the cruise control function.

Access to these can be obtained by removing the plastic stowage box (the one with the diagnostic socket) below the steering wheel. Four plastic tags - one at each corner - have to be prised up to release the stowage box. Remove the small panel with spare fuses attached to it, to the right of the stowage box, so that you can free the diagnostic socket from the box in order to remove it. Once the stowage box is removed you will see the three pedal switches and have good access to them.

Remove one switch connection at a time and check its operation by pressing the appropriate pedal, with a multimeter (on Ohms) connected across its terminals. (If you don't have a multimeter an improvised continuity tester can be made using a torch battery and bulb) Remember, one of the switches on the brake assembly should be 'closed' when the brake pedal is in the 'up' position.

Back again. Have checked the fuse and tested the switches, and they are all ok. Any other ideas other than take to main dealer for a plug in? thanks
 
A read-out of trouble codes may help you to narrow down the search for your problem.

Just a thought, I also have a Peugeot 407 with an electrical system more or less identical to that on my Fiat Ulysse, including the cruise control stalk. On one or two occasions my 407 has flagged a cruise control fault, but I have always been able to clear it by cycling the small switch in the centre of the stalk, whilst driving the car. If you have not already tried this, it might be worthwhile giving it a go. The switch allows you to disable and enable the cruise control function.
 
first port of call, get it hooked up to a diagnostic's machine, a normal code reader normally isn't good enough, once all the codes are read / reset the cruise should return, or at least tell you the fault
 
Chances are that this may not work for the Ulysse but may be worth a try.
I am fleet manager for a multinational logistics company and we operate Volvo trucks and also have the problem of the cruise control working fine one day and not working the next day.
I have found a solution which has worked for us every time so far.
When driving the vehicle (doesnt have to be fast), turn the cruise control on, then dab the brake pedal lightly twice in very quick succession then get up to speed and set the cruise speed.
This has worked for us every time so far.
It sometimes works even when the vehicle is not moving but with the engine is running.
 
Well, that didn't work. But 2 weeks later it has started working again.....

I would say Italian electrics but in this case, Peugeot electrics!!!
 
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