Technical Cant get my brake drum back on

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Technical Cant get my brake drum back on

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Hey,

I recently painted my front and rear brakes. But on the left side I can not get the brake drum (red thing) back on my car. On the right side it went on without any problems.
Handbrake is deactivated.


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A mate of mine used to work in a garage. Told me you need a wind back tool for doing brakes. Something about forcing the hydraulic cylinders back.
 
The drum wont fit around the shoes somehow.

btw, do you mean the blue spring? They are just extra springs (auxiliary springs if the translator is right), the one on the other side is broken, so I might just remove them as well.
 
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If it won't go over the shoes, then either they are pushed out, hydraulically or by the adjusters, or they could be just off centre. The pic shows the lower piston in the wheel cylinder pushed out further than the upper one. You may just need to push the shoes in together. Or slacken the self-adjusters. Then make sure the shoes are centred, so not just fouling at one end.

Once they're back together, pump the pedal to extend the shoes, move the car gently short distances braking gently to achieve this. The self-adjusters should then readjust. Get all that working right before any adjustment of the cable.
 
If you can push the shoes inwards (and they move but won't stay there), get a strong piece of string or thin rope and take it around the circumference of the shoes for 1 turn, keeping it close to the drum backing plate. Take the ends of the string/rope past each other, then use a stick or a screwdriver to make a simple winch (some people call it a Spanish windlass) off to one side of the drum backing plate. Wind the stick to twist the string around itself, forcing the shoes in enough to slide the drum almost into place, then unwind the string so that you can remove it before pushing the drum fully home.

This will only be of use if the shoe adjuster behaves itself and the brake cylinder isn't seized. Once the drum is in place, check that you can turn it by hand. You may feel some resistance but this should settle down after a test drive. If you can't turn the drum by hand at all, then something is seized; you'll need to look further into what's causing the problem. It may help to back off the plastic hex nut under the handbrake by 3-4 turns - the handbrake should travel quite a long way (7-8 clicks) to allow the shoes to fully release. In my experience, if the handbrake can only be pulled 2-3 clicks, the shoes won't fully release & you'll cook the brakes.
 
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ImageUploadedByFIAT Forum1397829926.180008.jpg succeed to get it back on, I took the shoes off, twisted the handbrake thing a little bit back, re assembled the brake and the drum was put on without problems :)
 
Maybe it's just me, but in the first picture one of the shoes looks to be missing a fairly large chunk of friction material... I'd be a bit worried about that!

Looks normal.
Friction material is often offset around the shoe. With normal rotation of the wheel, one shoe tries to grip, a self-servo effect, called a leading shoe, the other is pushed off by the rotation, so a trailing shoe, needing more effort to do any work. The offset lining is deliberate but I've forgotten the science.

In the pic, if we assume that is the left rear, the shoe nearest us is the leading shoe. The rotating drum tries to pull the shoe harder into contact. The rear shoe gets pushed off by the drum. The differences give a smoother more progressive application.

With front drum brakes, except for the very oldest cars, they are twin leading shoes, so two wheel cylinders. Both shoes are leading, giving the self-servo effect, helping brake effort.

When reversing, the leading shoe becomes a trailing shoe, requiring significantly more effort to give any reduction in speed. For this reason, rear brakes are always single leading shoe, as just the single leading shoes on each side do most of the stopping. If all shoes were leading, stopping in reverse would be mostly by hitting things. When reversing, you will notice that it takes a significant effort and more time and distance to stop. Discs on the rear help a lot, but are more expensive to fit, so we don't get them on mid-lower range vehicles.

I'll stop now, before we all lose the will to live.
 
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