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Craig a common problem with VW 1.9 TDi older engines was air mass meters which packed up after 40-50k miles, people used to come to me regularly saying they wanted a box or remap for them because the car was painfully slow, this was because the duff air meter wasn't letting any fuel in just air so no power but mega MPG. Tuning these cars made no difference only fixing the problem solved the power issue, in fact after replacing the air meter the customers felt like the cars were already chipped, the difference was that noticable, then add a box or remap and boom mega power!!

I think it sounds as if your cars problem is the opposite of the VW problem, it sounds like yours is over fuelling in a big way which is or would be causing plooms of black smoke but because you have DPF it's catching all this smoke and blocking up very quickly and can't regenerate quickly or often enough so the light comes on because its blocked. This is not a DPF fault, it's doing its job but is being overwhelmed by the amount of soot its having to deal with.
The EGR valve is used to re-circulate exhaust gases around the engine to re-burn them but if it sticks can cause a massive carbon back up and smoke galore. I know Landrover had alot of issues with these on the Range Rover Sports originally and it would cause shuddering and rough idling etc.
If this is the problem then by remapping to increase fuelling you'll be adding to the problem not helping it. I would ask the dealer to remove the EGR and clean it or check if its functioning or if possible renew it. I can't think of anything else that would cause this problem but not throw up an engine fault light.

I can't say for 100% certainty that this is the problem but its the first place I'd be looking with the problems you're describing shuddering/high fuel consumption/DPF blocking.

Hope this helps you resolve it. The reason the garage probably can't diagnose it is that often EGR valve problems won't bring up fault codes or engine management lights so the dealer assumes there is nothing actually wrong. It can be a tricky thing to diagnose. Incidently the VW air meter problem also didn't bring on engine light or fault codes.
To be honest the whole DPF thing has been a nightmare and a real headache for dealers as anyone not driving regularly on the motorway or at least doing longer journeys will have re-generation problems, this is especially bad for taxi drivers and older folk just doing short trips. I know for a fact that most of the dealers I supply to have cars in every day to be forced re-generated.

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well now that there no juddering iv got no way of making the dealer believe its over fueling or anything.. if surely you knew this the garage and Fiat them selves should of been able to come up with this as well..

so im stuck now.. if i take it to the dealer and ask them to change the EGR valve they would laugh at me and ask me why.. since they would see it as not been cost effective since its not fixing a fault...

iv only been offered around £8k for my car as a part ex from a fiat garage so i need to act quickly on if i want to sell my car or not..

what do people thing i should try and do? im thinkin maybe get the tuning box from DTUK and if i find it to be worse then sort something out with the EGR valve if thats what people think it might be...

What problems are people having with the 1.9 150 engine any? since that the same engine i would be going for but in a astra instead.
 
Hi I do not know how you drive your car, but I have a 2007 Bravo 1.9mjtd 8v with 195/65/R15 winter tires Maloya Davos while driving daily around 100km at speeds from 90/120kmh computer shows average consumption of 4.8l or 4.7l per 100km.Usually I can drive 1100km per full tank of diesel. In the summer I get a bit higher consumption due to 225/45/R17 Pirelli PZero Rosso and AC so with full tank I can drive just around 980/990km.The most important thing is that you have to optimize the way you drive and change gears. Do not use full throttle while accelerating even though the sound of a turbo and acceleration is fun. Bravo has better consumption than my wife's Toyota Yaris 1.0 which can do with 45l of gasoline around 900 od 910km.It also depands on the tire preassure, gasoline/diesel, and the driver.
 
Hi. When i worked at Vauxhall a few years back, the 1.9's did have a problem with egr valves. Common fault. On the astra, vectra, and the zafira. Altho more common on the 8v models, the odd 16v did to, with the same symptons as above. You would of thought it would of been fixed by now, because i'm going back at least 3 years! Is the 2.0 litre Mjet basically just a slightly bored out 1.9 Mjet/CDTi, in essence? Might explain the trouble, if it is....

Hope this helps.

Ian (y)
 
well now that there no juddering iv got no way of making the dealer believe its over fueling or anything.. if surely you knew this the garage and Fiat them selves should of been able to come up with this as well..

You'd think, but stranger things have happenned. That's why forums like this are so popular - because different people think of things that other people would never even dream of.

so im stuck now.. if i take it to the dealer and ask them to change the EGR valve they would laugh at me and ask me why.. since they would see it as not been cost effective since its not fixing a fault...

When they laugh and ask why, hand them a print out of TMC Motorsports post. Job done.

iv only been offered around £8k for my car as a part ex from a fiat garage so i need to act quickly on if i want to sell my car or not..

what do people thing i should try and do? im thinkin maybe get the tuning box from DTUK and if i find it to be worse then sort something out with the EGR valve if thats what people think it might be...

I think you should do what TMC Motorsport suggested.

What problems are people having with the 1.9 150 engine any? since that the same engine i would be going for but in a astra instead.

I think you need to persue & sort out the problem with the 2.0 rather than jumping ship for a nasty Vauxhall.

See text in bold.
 
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The problem maybe that you aren't driving it hard. A friend has a 159 with the 1.9 but with the DPf. He drives it "hard" and has had no regen issues whatsoever. Driving it hard will help keep the engine clean. Worth a try, just drive it a bit more aggresively for a tank or two see what happens
 
The problem maybe that you aren't driving it hard. A friend has a 159 with the 1.9 but with the DPf. He drives it "hard" and has had no regen issues whatsoever. Driving it hard will help keep the engine clean. Worth a try, just drive it a bit more aggresively for a tank or two see what happens

The regeneration of the DPF cycle is not activated by driving hard or easy, the car must be driven at steady motorway speed for a prolonged period, i'm not sure exactly what length of time but the reason dealers have so many issues with DPF is that certain drivers do very little motorway driving like some older people and some taxi drivers who generally do short trips so the DPF can't get into re-gen mode. Driving hard won't help this cycle but if you can go on a 10 or 15 mile motorway journey sitting at a steady 70 it should re-generate. To be honest the DPF idea is good in theory but in practical use its proving to be a nightmare for alot of dealers. My guess is that the manufacturers must surely be looking at alternatives as we speak.
 
From my experience you have to do the constant speed driving for regeneration.

Then for the pure fact its a diesel, take it for a BLAST. Higher speeds, lower gears.

Believe diesels produce max soot when you accelerate in a high gear, at low speed.
 
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