garsenior
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Hi all want to add a turbo to my 16v coupe, apart from the turbo what else do i need to add, they is one on ebay at the moment from a 16vt will it just bolt on?
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sorry but your crazy to do that over buying a ready turboed car.
higher insurance
lower resale value
conversion costs etc
higher insurance
lower resale value
conversion costs etc
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yup thats me but can it be done and what else is needed thanks.
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Hi mate, its not as easy as bolting on the turbo, you will need amongst other things, new ECU, new manifold for the turbo to bolt to, intercooler, all the boost controll piping and solenoid etc etc. Your much better off getting one with a turbo in the fist place, however if you dont mind spending a lot and want to do it as a project, then anything is possible.
Hope that helps,
Alan
Hope that helps,
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Hi alan thanks for that lucky for me they is a 16v turbo been broken on ebay at the moment all the bits going for pennies each.
doing this as a project, tried to find a turbo in my budget but couldnt thanks again.
doing this as a project, tried to find a turbo in my budget but couldnt thanks again.
Ah in that case.... if you buy the complete car of ebay, it makes things a lot simpler because you dont have to source loads of parts, you can just swap them from the turbo to yours.
Good luck,
Alan
Good luck,
Alan
You can't find a 16vt for your budget yet you're going to be able to afford the insurance on a 50+ bhp engine power increase? It's going to cost more than the cost difference between a 16v and a 16vt for the conversion, insurance etc.
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yea i know i am crazy but this is a long project, the car that i have bought is a bit of a shed only cost me 400, i have my stilo for now just wanted something cheap to mess around with. spending a bit on it one month a little more the month after etc....
The differences between N/A and Turbo 16V are not just the turbo and associated pipework, but the actual engine has some major differences. Lower compression which is probably achieved by pistons, it will also have different cams as a turbo car can't have the same as N/A due to different characteristics.
Therefore the easiest thing to do if you really want to work on your car is get the whole lump lock stock and barrel from a 16VT and transplant the lot.
Therefore the easiest thing to do if you really want to work on your car is get the whole lump lock stock and barrel from a 16VT and transplant the lot.
i've heard them engines are like gold dust though, the head alone can cost you around £1k - just get a 20v instead, it's a better engine.
pah, no fun!
There's two ways about this:
1. sell current car (1K+?) , buy a MINT, low mileage 16v turbo for about 2.5K. total spend 1.5K.
2. Modify your existing non-turbo for about 2K (parts only if you fit EVERYTHING else, god knows what other costs involved) and have a car worth about 1.5K. Total spend 2 grand and a real arsehole of a job.
So you can see why 99.9% of everyone just sells up for a turbo
However like anything, it's possible, and if you like headaches, pain and spending money you don't need to, it's definately do-able.
1. sell current car (1K+?) , buy a MINT, low mileage 16v turbo for about 2.5K. total spend 1.5K.
2. Modify your existing non-turbo for about 2K (parts only if you fit EVERYTHING else, god knows what other costs involved) and have a car worth about 1.5K. Total spend 2 grand and a real arsehole of a job.
So you can see why 99.9% of everyone just sells up for a turbo
However like anything, it's possible, and if you like headaches, pain and spending money you don't need to, it's definately do-able.
Oh yeah then there's specialist insurance which is gonna be far more than just insuring a 16VT.
What i'd do is buy a jar. everytime you would have been putting money together for parts, gearbox, clutch, pistons, cams, turbo, manifold, exhaust, fuelpump, cambelt, auxbelts, oil, antifreeze, intercooler, oilcooler, pipework, ecu, wiring loom, engine mounts, suspension components etc. put the equivelant money in the jar. spend the time you would have been getting cold in the garage swearing stressing etc. instead by going out meeting people socialising watching Tv, meeting girls or even reading up on mechanics.. When you have estimated that your theoretical car is ready, empty the jar. Wow. you will have enough money to buy a mint 16v Turbo/20v turbo, and possibly some left over to go on Holiday.
I only jest and wish you well with your build. However think long and hard first.
I only jest and wish you well with your build. However think long and hard first.
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i agree... there are very few parts on a Turbo engine that are the same as on a N/A engine.. you would be much better just saving up and buying a turbo engine and dropping that in.. or go down the supercharger route - quite a lot easier to fit and you can got some electric chargers (as apose to being belt driven where you'd need different water pump / alternator pulleys etc) and that will add 30/40 bhp.. but you'll still end up putting excessive strain on manifolds, gaskets etc..
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A normal (belt driven) charger will still cost you about the 2 - 2.5K marker just to buy the basic bits let alone setting the car up afterwards.
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I didn't think the electric superchargers were any good for road use as they need like a million volts to power them, I thought they were very specialist and only used for brief spells on some race engines and cost a fourtune. As regards a belt driven charger it would require a one off manifold/tubing being made. if you hoped to fit one straight on you'd probably end up with very minimal power gains for a lot of headache and a rough running car. Unless you had the car on and off a rolling road to get the full out of the supercharger, manifold design and fuelling. You would also need to get compression down in the same regards as a turbo engine. A turbo has all the parts readily available so is easily the cheapest way forward.
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Think what everyone is getting at, really, Garsenior... is that if you want a turbo'd 16v Coupe.. it would be easier, cheaper, quicker, simpler, faster.. and generally better to simply just buy one !! evan if it's not as fun as trying to retrofit a turbo to a n/a car !!
