Technical 2014 Punto 8v engine removal question

[Jaybe]

after reading the previous threads regarding engine swaps in the Punto mk3 , I've decided after reading and watching you tube videos ( jonik) I'am going to remove my the 1.2 8 v (169A4000) engine and replace with the 1.4 8v (350A1000). so is there enough room in the engine bay to only remove the engine and from the top of the car . i know back in the day( transverse) fords had enough room to leave the box in and remove the engine and gaining room by just removing the bottom crank pulley. is the fiat the same principle ??? I did have a quick look at previous threads on here but never found out what I want to know. I also don't want to be another same questions asked as before . if it has been asked many times can you please point me in the direction of threads.

 

[GrandePunto PL]

Why you want to complicate it?
Removal of the gearbox (since you must disconnect it from the engine anyway) is easy.
Then removal of the engine will be way easier, more wiggle room.
Gearbox is 30 kg, engine 70+.

 

[Jaybe]

Why you want to complicate it?
Removal of the gearbox (since you must disconnect it from the engine anyway) is easy.
Then removal of the engine will be way easier, more wiggle room.
Gearbox is 30 kg, engine 70+.

I don't want to pee about pulling drive shafts and gear linkage unless I have to . Pretty simple question yes/no.

 

[GrandePunto PL]

"Simple question yes/no", in your mind. World doesn't work like that (not always), everything is good/bad, yes/no.
Practical answer is still: remove the gearbox first.
If it's a "problem" for you, to remove it (and axles etc.), engine swaps are not for you (not yet).
Simple analysis of the situation.
Disengaging engine from the gearbox requires sliding the gearbox input shaft out of the clutch. You need space to do this.
You'll end up dismantling the timing belt side and stretching the gearbox mounts (and gear linkages), just to detach "motor" from the g.box.

Other option, also practical, is: just do the job, document it (pictures, video).
Be an internet content creator, not consumer only (whole life). Try Your Way first and see what happens. There is a chance (maybe it will "clear").

Imagine people B.I. (before internet). There was no forum threads, youtube tutorials. And they did swaps, DIY repairs too. HOW?

Real problem is psychological. You're paralyzed until you get ALL information upfront. If not, you'll not engage (too afraid to just start the job, because there is unknown obstacle - more or less imaginary - waiting to bite you). In the technical trades (mechanic, plumber, electrician and so on), most of the time, there is no 100% information (you can't fully prepare), you learn and react/adapt as you go. Mistakes are part of the process (something will go wrong occasionally). Experience is how you recover from fck-ups (not about being perfect 100% of the time).

 

[PuntoHowTo]

That’s an aweful lot of work for ? 12hp ?

Especially in a car that even in its 1.4 guise is still seriously underpowered.

These cars are built for economy not performance so you’re not going to make a car perform with these engines.

You (as always) would be far better off putting your time and effort into getting the money for something faster if that’s your goal. A newer 135hp punto multiair turbo or even a 155hp abarth.

But still someone in a Volvo xc60 will over take you with their kids in the back bikes on the roof and a dog in the boot.

Chasing performance in these cars is a largely pointless and expensive endeavour.

 

[GrandePunto PL]

Yep, swaps like that are pointless (better swap whole car).
It makes sense, if it's an exercise, as a hard-core hobbyist or apprentice mechanic.

 

[AnthonyH]

after reading the previous threads regarding engine swaps in the Punto mk3 , I've decided after reading and watching you tube videos ( jonik) I'am going to remove my the 1.2 8 v (169A4000) engine and replace with the 1.4 8v (350A1000). so is there enough room in the engine bay to only remove the engine and from the top of the car . i know back in the day( transverse) fords had enough room to leave the box in and remove the engine and gaining room by just removing the bottom crank pulley. is the fiat the same principle ??? I did have a quick look at previous threads on here but never found out what I want to know. I also don't want to be another same questions asked as before . if it has been asked many times can you please point me in the direction of threads.

I think it'd be a great learning experience. The 350A engines are only a couple of hundred quid, and if worst comes to worst the 169A engine could be put back in again and no harm done.

The main problem here is wanting too much information before you start. The best teacher is experience. Bear in mind you'll need a lot patience to see this through, and plenty of hair to pull out

 

[Jaybe]

"Simple question yes/no", in your mind. World doesn't work like that (not always), everything is good/bad, yes/no.
Practical answer is still: remove the gearbox first.
If it's a "problem" for you, to remove it (and axles etc.), engine swaps are not for you (not yet).
Simple analysis of the situation.
Disengaging engine from the gearbox requires sliding the gearbox input shaft out of the clutch. You need space to do this.
You'll end up dismantling the timing belt side and stretching the gearbox mounts (and gear linkages), just to detach "motor" from the g.box.

Other option, also practical, is: just do the job, document it (pictures, video).
Be an internet content creator, not consumer only (whole life). Try Your Way first and see what happens. There is a chance (maybe it will "clear").

Imagine people B.I. (before internet). There was no forum threads, youtube tutorials. And they did swaps, DIY repairs too. HOW?

Real problem is psychological. You're paralyzed until you get ALL information upfront. If not, you'll not engage (too afraid to just start the job, because there is unknown obstacle - more or less imaginary - waiting to bite you). In the technical trades (mechanic, plumber, electrician and so on), most of the time, there is no 100% information (you can't fully prepare), you learn and react/adapt as you go. Mistakes are part of the process (something will go wrong occasionally). Experience is how you recover from fck-ups (not about being perfect 100% of the time).

Ok then I shall pull both out together. I am a fully skilled motor mechanic)mot tester for 43yrs . Well out comes my tools and get them out. I shouldn't take too long for first time then it gets quicker when you know all the bolt locations. So my engine crane is coming out of retirement. I hope you're not offended by my reply .

 

[Jaybe]

I think it'd be a great learning experience. The 350A engines are only a couple of hundred quid, and if worst comes to worst the 169A engine could be put back in again and no harm done.

The main problem here is wanting too much information before you start. The best teacher is experience. Bear in mind you'll need a lot patience to see this through, and plenty of hair to pull out

I haven't bought the engine yet and I am now not working due to lower back problems so I have plenty of time on my hands .