General 106MPH in my Fiat Uno 999c Fire!!

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General 106MPH in my Fiat Uno 999c Fire!!

acid_burn702

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I was driving my 1990 fiat uno 999cc fire south on the M25. Between A3 and M23 at 3am this morning and I got her upto 106MPH. As soon as she go that high she started loosing power and i had to drop to 70 for the rest of the journey. lol
 
Ah come on, Hellcat - don't rain on acid_burn702's parade :D

You're right of course, but it is still fast. The fastest I've been in an Uno 45 was with the speedo showing 143km/h (only about 89mph...)

As for the engine being damaged by the 'stress and heat' - yeah right! Were there sparks flying out the exhaust? I bet there's been some carbon cleaned out...

Seriously, has anyone here (or, does anyone know someone who has) blown up their FIAT engine at high revs? Assuming here no loss of coolant/oil...

-Alex
 
110mph (downhill...) :D probably not that accurate.

but i do think if i was a sane driver that i most of the parts in my car would not have to be replaced, hence my uno does not cope with abuse.
clutch, brakes, clutch m/c, brake m/c, and front shocks.
im guessing if i didnt drive like an idiot none of these things would have gone wrong :(
 
distortionrockets: I disagree, I'd say that on a 12-year-old car, any of those items could be giving up the ghost regardless of how you drive it. True, if it was a low-mileage minter, the clutch might be OK, but the other parts (brakes, hydraulics, shocks) deteriorate as much with age as with usage, in my experience... so don't be afraid to get the value out of them now you've fitted them! ;)

Hellcat: actually, I re-read the original post just after I made my reply, and you do have a good point... I'm worried about what caused the loss of performance... you do have to watch for overheating, loss of oil etc.

There are not many instruments in base-model Unos, but the UK models apparently have a temperature gauge (ours don't) so that's a start. I like the oil temperature and oil pressure gauges in my Turbo, because it gives me an idea of when it's working hard (or not).

So, acid_burn702 - any more info? D'ya think it was overheating, or maybe the opposite (carb icing?) What do the spark plugs look like (maybe they are a slightly 'hot' plug chosen for round-town use, maybe they were overheating and pre-igniting)... Fill us in on the details?

It's nice that you guys have the roads for these sorts of speeds... there's nowhere I can drive at 160km/h insconspicuously without risk of car confiscation/license loss :cry:

-Alex
 
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140 is easy, I hit 140 every day,
170~ is hard and i can hit it (down hill)
 
105MPH slightly downhill, but heat was well in the red had to slow down no loos of power tho!

That was in my L reg 999cc FIRE!

Second the motion on the inaccurate speedo mine was bouncing between 103 and about 107 but its stupidly hard to read anyway!
 
It was nothing major, the enging flooded with petrol. It done that before when i first got the car and i pulled over and turned the enging off for about 30secs and she was fine. I was a flat road I think but a did have loads of head wind. I could have continued above 70mph but if i had she would have powered down. Seijunkie was my speedo checker, as its not very sturdy with 13" wheels on her.
 
I saw 110mph in my '86 Uno FIRE only a couple of months back! Northbound on the M40, near the Prices Risburough turn off. HUGE and very long down hill stretch, and without realising it I was touching the mid 90's a third of the way down, so I thought what the hell, foot to the floor and see what it would do.

Touched 110mph before I hit the bottom, at which point it went up hill a bit and the speed dropped back to just below 100mph.

Weirdest thing I find with the FIRE Uno's, is that they will struggle to go much over 80mph on the flat, but if you can get them to 90 or even 100 down hill, they seem to be able to hold that speed once on the flat again :confused:

I must also add that it suffered no ill effects or overheating, in fact the temperature gauge was sitting at a very normal 80 degrees.

Of course, who knows how accurate the speedo reading actually was (it was quite steady with no wavering though), and also getting up to speed on the flat is the 'real' top speed. Any vehicle can read much higher on a down hill stretch.

I also suspect as well that the FIRE engines can go a lot faster down hill, as certainly in the case of the Uno, 5th gear is very high. Even at over 100mph the engine is revving around 5000rpm - not anywhere near the redline.

There's a picture I have somewhere of a slightly modified FIRE mk1 Uno showing 200kph on the clocks (124mph!) :eek: It was running twin two barrel carburetors though ;)

Oh, and Acid_Burn, were you talking about a similar long down hill stretch on the M25 just before the M23 turn off? I know it well! Going the opposite way on that stretch of the M25, my Uno will struggle to hold 65mph before getting to the top. It's a very steep hill...
 
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Your right 5th gear gearing is not designed for speed, but fuel economy. Now i have a rev counter on mine, there is no real power below 4K, and i have to work hard when rallying to keep the engine always above 4K, and it all tails off just before the rev limiter at 6.5K.
The gearing is quite high for all the gears, so i am thinking about getting a different diff (lower ratio) to improve things.
Does anyone know if the 900cc engine fitted to the Cinq/Sei is based on the FIRE engine ie will a gearbox from a Cinq/Sei fit to a 999cc FIRE engine ?
 
P.S. Compairing my speedo which bounces around alot at certain speeds it seems to be quite accurate when compairing it to the GPS speed in my road angel. Although this is with slightly different sized tyres 165/65 R13
 
SuperUno - I wouldn't be too confident about the Cinq/Sei gearbox fitting! As I understand it, several of those models (900cc) have an 899cc version of the glorious 903cc pushrod motor AGAIN, as used in the Uno 45 at various times through the years. I thought that in 1986, the 903cc was replaced by the 999cc FIRE, but I was wrong, because a year or two later the 903 was back...

So I don't know whether the gearbox will fit, but I'm about 85% sure that the 900 version's engine is NOT based on the FIRE. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Cinquecento

That Mk1 Uno in action is brilliant (where is .pt?) but the econometer appears to be indicating less-than-economical running (I wonder why?)

Cool - we need more details on this car, as I would think it has more than a K&N air cleaner ;) - I wonder if we can somehow reach the owner through 'six degrees of separation'...

-Alex
 
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alexGS said:
Cool - we need more details on this car, as I would think it has more than a K&N air cleaner ;)

Most definitely has a bit more than a K&N Alex :devil:

See here!

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Oh, and I think .pt is Portugal?

SuperUno, I've no idea if the 903cc gearbox will fit a FIRE. I assume the gearbox is the same, but the bellhousing will most definitely be different. The non-FIRE ohc engines (1116, 1299/ 1301) use the same gearbox as the FIRE, but the bellhousing is different. I know because I tried to fit a 1301cc gearbox to my previous 4 speed Uno FIRE to turn it into a 5 speed...

I've heard somewhere that the four speed FIRE box might be better suited for your needs and has a better spread of ratios for rallying. 5th gear will almost be redundant on a rally car, and 5th gear is a bit weak anyway as it is in an extra housing.

The final drive ratios are slightly different depending on the engine the gearbox is fitted to. The Haynes workshop manual has details of the ratios:

Mk1 UNO

Early 45/ 45S = 4.071 : 1
ES models = 3.867 : 1
55, 55S, 70S = 3.733 : 1
Later 999cc = 3.733 : 1
Turbo = 3.588 : 1

For mk2 models, the Haynes manual states only the 903 engine has a 4.071 : 1 final drive ratio.

FIRE engined 999cc engines with the later C514 gearbox (post 1992) have a 3.866 : 1 final drive ratio.

Also of note looking at the manual is that the 903cc engine DOES share the same gearbox as both the FIRE and later 1372cc (non turbo) engines up to 1992. It's the C.501.5.10 gearbox.

It's possible that the ohv Cinq/ Uno gearboxes might fit a FIRE if they are the C514 or C501 types, but you will need to swap the bellhousing over. Perhaps have a look in the manuals or Eper to try and get some specs?

Chas
 
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