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Old 28-11-2010   #1
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Cross 4x4 at play in the snow

Just uploaded this short clip on my sons Youtube
(i have my own youtube account as a press officer at a railway but its sort of off topic for what i do)

Any way after sledging up and down their hill at my elderly parents in high Leicestershire, i thought it would be fun to take her 09 plate cross for a spin up the hill on the field to see how good the traction was. I did need to put the ELD button on but after that it was fine. One thing i did notice is that first is a tad high for hill starts and you need to gun it a bit else it will stall, other than that i managed to stop on the steepest part and then restart and thats on the factory fitted michelin snows (its only done 7 k so they are part worn
This is car we had to go 120 miles to Epsom to buy from Willsons at New year 2009/2010 due to severe lack of any 2nd hand and heavy snow everywhere.
Looks like it might be a godsend again as their lane is off limits now to all but 4x4s and tractors with snow and ice covering the 2 miles of steep hills and hollows and tell tale marks where lesser cars have got stuck and had to be rescued


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It's good to see a Panda in action
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Call that a hill!
We've got speed bumps steeper than that in the North East!
Sorry, well done and glad you had fun!!
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Any way after sledging up and down their hill......
doctorchris is being too mean - sledging up a hill is very impressive indeed!
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doctorchris is being too mean - sledging up a hill is very impressive indeed!

Its quiet deceptive slope, its steeper than it looks and cant get a front wheel drive up there in the summer on the grass without doing 40 mph up from the bottom.

More snow coming in tonight although i will be out in my classic landrover rescuing cars and trucks in Rutland
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I would like to see a video of a 100HP having a go at that!!
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Re: Cross 4x4 at play in the snow

Finally got some proper snow here in Sheffield, 1-2 ft. so have had a chance to see just how good the cross is! I'm impressed, it was better than I had anticipated. Made light work getting of my side road, much to the surprise of the neighbours who said I had no chance, I then went for a bit of a play, finding roads that hadn't been used and I didn't get stuck once. I did get plenty off people staring and pointing, they probably haven't ever noticed a panda cross until today.( or they were saying look at that prat, driving in this weather!!!)
All in all, well pleased with it, glad I bought it when I did.
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I would like to see a video of a 100HP having a go at that!!
Why do you want to see a 100hp sliding backwards down a hill or ripping it's bumper off?
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Why do you want to see a 100hp sliding backwards down a hill or ripping it's bumper off?
LOL
You wouldnt even get into the field in a 2wd car let alone up the slope

As i say i am really mpressed with how the little car performs

and this is my toy below in the December 1st 2010 Snow in the East Midlands so i know a bit about serious off roading!!
BTW this is a "B" road



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LOL
You wouldnt even get into the field in a 2wd car let alone up the slope

As i say i am really mpressed with how the little car performs

and this is my toy below in the December 1st 2010 Snow in the East Midlands so i know a bit about serious off roading!!
BTW this is a "B" road
You could do in a RWD car with good ground clearance My Peugeot 504 once made it in and out of a muddy field back in Australia where a couple of AWD cars struggled M+S tyres softly spung suspension FTW!
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Well the Panda excelled itself today

On one of the steepest and notorious hills at apropriatelyTilton on The Hill, in high East Leics, not only did my mum (in her 70s) get up the 1 in 4 hill on packed snow and ice but she had to stop half way up while i moved a stuck mercedes out of the way with my landy. (i went shotgun in front for the 7 miles x country trip till she got to main roads for urgent hospital appt)
The fact she actually got going from a stop and managed to squeze past the merc and me was so funny
The poor guy in the merc was gobsmacked at the Pandas effortless performance, and with 3 up
, especially when i said it was my elderly mum

Think he is going to out looking for a cross now but he did give me 20 which I am giving to a cancer research charity

Shortly after she got up, I had to rescue a 4x4 VW Toureg 45 grand motor that failed on grip after a run up and ended up crabbing sideways, and most 2 wd cars ran out of grip 1/2 way despite having only one car attacking the hill at a time

so Yep the panda cross is a great little car
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Well the Panda excelled itself today

On one of the steepest and notorious hills at apropriatelyTilton on The Hill, in high East Leics, not only did my mum (in her 70s) get up the 1 in 4 hill on packed snow and ice but she had to stop half way up while i moved a stuck mercedes out of the way with my landy. (i went shotgun in front for the 7 miles x country trip till she got to main roads for urgent hospital appt)
The fact she actually got going from a stop and managed to squeze past the merc and me was so funny
The poor guy in the merc was gobsmacked at the Pandas effortless performance, and with 3 up
, especially when i said it was my elderly mum

Think he is going to out looking for a cross now but he did give me 20 which I am giving to a cancer research charity

Shortly after she got up, I had to rescue a 4x4 VW Toureg 45 grand motor that failed on grip after a run up and ended up crabbing sideways, and most 2 wd cars ran out of grip 1/2 way despite having only one car attacking the hill at a time

so Yep the panda cross is a great little car
Nige
Looking forward to getting some winter tyres on the Subaru at some stage and seeing what it can do
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but he did give me 20 which I am giving to a cancer research charity
Nice one.


Stupid question time but :

Have to ask as ive never driven a 4x4, why are they so much better in snow and ice. I understand that all 4 wheels are driven and on rough ground, even if you only have 1 wheel on the ground, in theory you should still move forward. But on ice surely if all wheels are spinning you still wont get anywhere.
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In addition to my Barchetta, I also have a Volvo XC70 AWD and an elderly Freelander, both of which have been invaluable in the heavy snow. Can someone explain to me how the Panda 4x4 AWD actually works. My father is interested in buying one, having been confined to his Northumberland village for a week now. MAny thanks - Steve
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Stupid question time but :

Have to ask as ive never driven a 4x4, why are they so much better in snow and ice. I understand that all 4 wheels are driven and on rough ground, even if you only have 1 wheel on the ground, in theory you should still move forward. But on ice surely if all wheels are spinning you still wont get anywhere.

I dont know how the Fiat system works but on a permanent AWD vehicle, both axles are constantly driven. Wheels only spin when the resistance caused by the mass of the vehicle is greater than the resistance between the tyres and the road. On an AWD vehicle, you have double the driving axles thus halving the resistance. However, due to the differentials on the axles, most vehicles will only get one wheel on each axle spinning. This can be overcome by limited slip diffs or, even better, diff locks. More modern vehicles like the volvo, are part time AWD. They are primarily front wheel drive but when the traction control detects a front wheel spinning, it instantly allows drive to the rear axle. This provides better fuel economy and saves tyre wear too. The system works well and my Volvo has been able to cope with some really deep snow and icy roads. Hope this helps.

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