Flappjak
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Does anyone know how to top up a 5 speed gearbox and what oil it takes?
General Topping gearbox oil?
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Ok check your inner gaiters are sound no rips tears or drips.
If so deal with that issue as well
10 mm simp plug to drain old oil located transversely under the box it has magnetic plug to collect debris
Top of the box same plug. Remove allow old oil to drain out.
Then Ep 60 gear oil
But if not avalable go for 20/40 engine oil
I normally mix 20/40 engine with an ep 80 gear oil 4-1 This works perfectly I am sure there are many who would say this is wrong but all oils are a blend of different structures. Best always to have plenty of oil in at all times
If so deal with that issue as well
10 mm simp plug to drain old oil located transversely under the box it has magnetic plug to collect debris
Top of the box same plug. Remove allow old oil to drain out.
Then Ep 60 gear oil
But if not avalable go for 20/40 engine oil
I normally mix 20/40 engine with an ep 80 gear oil 4-1 This works perfectly I am sure there are many who would say this is wrong but all oils are a blend of different structures. Best always to have plenty of oil in at all times
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Oil level should be to the level of the filler plug incidentally - there's no science to gauging it. Filler is facing on an upward slant at the front of the box roughly facing the bottom corner of the radiator. Hex key size is the same as the sump plug if you're rummaging through a toolbox to find it. Unscrew the plug and as it comes out (parked on a level surface) you should get a dribble of oil out. If not then it needs filling until it does just start to overflow. If you're topping up 20w50 engine oil isn't a bad bet - it's not right really but at this age you've no idea what last went in there anyway. If you're draining and refilling (not a bad idea if in doubt) just buy 'some' gearbox oil - 20w50 engine oil as suggested above is OK but reckon on changing it a lot more regularly than you would normally.
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Flappjak
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Thank you for help just had the gearbox and engine out so thought I'd change oil as well so it's all fresh
theres a few pictures here: https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-cla...ox-rear-differential-oil-specs.html?p=3421158
First thing is first, Before checking oil levels it is imperative to check the condition of your pandas CV boots. Most causes of low oil or a noisy gearbox is because the CV boots have perished. When they do the 2.4 litres of oil your Panda's gearbox should have in it, is reduced to about ~350ml and nowhere near enough to lubricate the box. see below for pictures. both the fill and drain plugs on the panda gearbox require a 12mm allen key or 12mm hex bit socket to undo and tighten up.
when topping up with gearbox oil, you keep filling the box up until oil starts dribbling out of the oil filler hole. this equals to about 2.4 litres of oil.
Another thing to note is that the correct oil should be used as some oil even though it is fine in other cars, Can eat away at some of the metals used in the Panda's gearbox.
The correct oil specs are:
ZC90 (SAE 80w/90 GL3) this oil can be hard to come by but there are alternatives such as:
"classic" 20W50 engine oil. This can be used in a panda gearbox but must be changed more frequently as the meshing of the gears cause the oil to breakdown its molecular structure.
"Millers Oils Classic Gear Oil 80w90 GL4" is another that can be used. Though it says it is GL4 spec, It guarantees that it will not eat away metals in any old gearboxes. (I am using this oil now in a Seat Marbella, 5k miles later the gearbox is the same as when we got it)
"Morris Lubricants Golden Film AG90 Gear Oil" this oil meets all the original requirements and is the correct spec for Panda gearboxes. it is specifically safe for golden metals.
most modern oils of EP GL5 spec and over "claim" they do not harm gearboxes with yellow metals. i do know people who have used modern day EP GL5 oil in a pandas gearbox. however. if you do choose to do this it would be at the vehicle keepers own risk! it is not something i would like to toy with.
For those of you who wish to know "how full IS full on a panda gearbox.. the short awnser is "when you cant put any more in the gearbox".
here is the fill plug's location looking up from under the car:
and this looking from above is how full it should be!
For the Rear Differential in a 4X4 Panda, use:
EP 85w/140.
Hope this helps anyone in the future.
Hint - if you jack up the front of the car you can fit a bit extra in
mightypanda
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I use the TUTELA ZC90 1Ltr (80W-90) from Ricambio. It is expensive at £10.26 pe rlitre, but it is the correct stuff. http://www.ricambio.co.uk/453-gearbox-oil-tutela-zc90-1ltr-80w-90-
It does sound like Steve has formulated a recipe that does the job fine.
I heard a saying from an oil expert - ANY oil is better that no oil..
It does sound like Steve has formulated a recipe that does the job fine.
I heard a saying from an oil expert - ANY oil is better that no oil..
