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Re: Berlina Thermostat

Hi gav

great its the 3 bolt as its easier for availability.

Do we have any photos of the car in question.

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Hi All,

Spoke to the guy who rebuilt the engine, hes going to retorque the head and he has a Fiat water pump kit and is going to rebuild it.

While all this is being done I will have a look at the other hoses.

Image attached.....I hope!

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Hi Gav

Thats great news all round then, looking good too

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Re: Berlina Thermostat

Hi Gavin,

If you care to check out www.fdricambi.com/en/fiat-850/heating-cooling

you'll see the various parts still available from this supplier for the 850 cooling system incl. water pumps, thermostat housing and cover, one of the bearings (I thought there were 2 of the same size/type?) Also shown are the water pump seals which I tried to describe.

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Update:

Have had contact with my guy here in Ireland and hes found the pump kit! I have the pump out and my jesus on high was that a job, the rear bolt was moulded in there, I thought I was going to be getting the bottles and adding heat but it's out anyway and sure enough its "bearing'y" sounding and feeling. I have another with a broken fan and they are like chalk and cheese from a feel point of view.

I have also blown some air through the bypass hoses and all seems clean and the air I blew through was lung powered! Very confident they are clear.

My guy here has also told me he has a collection of 850 parts I can have due to his pending retirement! Age and the internet has I'm afraid killed his business and he said even though I'm 35 and drove him demented I always returned to him rather then go online for parts so as a thank you hes giving me what he can find. I have to be honest I have never been a fan of online shopping. That said i did manage to scoop a very very good set of doors for my 600D through Facebook recently in Italy. One bought, second will be bought on payday this week and then I'll get them shipped.

Just a small update, thanks again for your help and advice!

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Have had contact with my guy here in Ireland and hes found the pump kit! I have the pump out and my jesus on high was that a job, the rear bolt was moulded in there, I thought I was going to be getting the bottles and adding heat but it's out anyway and sure enough its "bearing'y" sounding and feeling. I have another with a broken fan and they are like chalk and cheese from a feel point of view
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Couldn't you have simply swapped the fans and used the pump with the better bearings? or am I missing something?

Talking of 600D and 850, don't forget these models were sold in Spain as the SEAT 600 and 850 (also sometimes with significant differences e.g. SEAT 133) and many other countries e.g. iirc Turkey, Egypt. My point being a hint:- if on holidays in any of these countries, check around to see what new/used parts are available as in some of these countries, these models continued being produced long after they were dropped elsewhere in Europe. From what I've heard, Italy has become very dear for both old cars and their parts, Spain is more reasonable and realistic as to values and Turkey and Egypt (both had local assembly operations) can/will sell you a surprising amount of new spares for relatively small money

Just a thought,

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Couldn't you have simply swapped the fans and used the pump with the better bearings? or am I missing something?

Talking of 600D and 850, don't forget these models were sold in Spain as the SEAT 600 and 850 (also sometimes with significant differences e.g. SEAT 133) and many other countries e.g. iirc Turkey, Egypt. My point being a hint:- if on holidays in any of these countries, check around to see what new/used parts are available as in some of these countries, these models continued being produced long after they were dropped elsewhere in Europe. From what I've heard, Italy has become very dear for both old cars and their parts, Spain is more reasonable and realistic as to values and Turkey and Egypt (both had local assembly operations) can/will sell you a surprising amount of new spares for relatively small money

Just a thought,

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Morning Al,

On the water pump I could have done a swap but I just said do it right and do it once. I don't know the history of the second pump. Figured this way I'll never need to look at it again all going well. The bypass port on the second were badly blocked and the Male connection for want of a term looked very corroded and brittle, I don't know if it would have taken a pipe clamp.

600, I have been looking under Jagst, Zastava, Seat ect for parts and from research a lot of the licensed copies were built mostly with suicide doors which my 600 does not have, it has front hinged doors.
Other parts yes but doors seems to be a tricky one. The two I bought the seller wouldn't split up so it was take them or leave them. Shipping from much further then Italy also I think poses problems such as shipping costs and duty, I mainly have to shop within the EU or be faced with possible import charges on top.
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Hi Gavin,

Probably better that you've decided to overhaul you existing pump, (Do it right, Do it once, as they say) and as you say, some parts of the other pump were dodgy and it's condition unknown.

That's a good point you make about the continued use of suicide doors in some markets, they didn't feel the need to upgrade to the later model's 'normal' doors. While this is to your disadvantage it's an advantage to owner's of suicide model cars over here, whose doors may be in very poor condition having had even longer to rust here than those fitted to cars which retained suicide doors in some foreign markets.

I assume you're aware of the existance of www. fdricambi.com , (they're in the NL, so within the E.U.), I see they have a Fiat 600 new RH door for Euro 627 and s/hand Rh and LH doors at Euro 340 each. I trust you got your 2 doors cheaper? Iirc the Fiat 600 when new cost less than the price of 1 new door nowadays - progress eh?

As I'm in Ireland also, I'm aware of carriage costs and the possibility of incurring import duties etc. I heard of someone importing parts from one of the Spanish?(iirc) Islands, possibly Majorca? who got caught for import duty, apparently, these Islands are Spanish owned but are not part of the E.U.

I'm just waiting to see how much prices of all that we in Ireland import from the U.K. or via the U.K. change after Brexit.

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Hi Gavin,

Probably better that you've decided to overhaul you existing pump, (Do it right, Do it once, as they say) and as you say, some parts of the other pump were dodgy and it's condition unknown.

That's a good point you make about the continued use of suicide doors in some markets, they didn't feel the need to upgrade to the later model's 'normal' doors. While this is to your disadvantage it's an advantage to owner's of suicide model cars over here, whose doors may be in very poor condition having had even longer to rust here than those fitted to cars which retained suicide doors in some foreign markets.

I assume you're aware of the existance of www. fdricambi.com , I see they have Fiat 600 new RH door for Euro 627 and s/hand Rh and LH doors at Euro 340 each. I trust you got your 2 doors cheaper? Iirc the Fiat 600 when new cost less than the price of 1 new door nowadays - progress eh?

As I'm in Ireland also, I'm aware of carriage costs and the possibility of incurring import duties etc. I heard of someone importing parts from one of the Spanish?(iirc) Islands, possibly Majorca? who got caught for import duty, apparently, these Islands are Spanish owned but are not part of the E.U.

I'm just waiting to see how much prices of all that we in Ireland import from the U.K. or via the U.K. change after Brexit.

Al.
I just spotted the Irish flag beside your name!!

Both pumps dropped off to my guy, he was happy to see the the second one as he said they can become quite brittle over time so its good to have a doner.

Am aware of all of those sites, have found them right across the EU and beyond but I prefer to shop local when possible, be face to face with knowledge and support local when I can. I know this is not always the case!

Seat, Jagst, Zastava obviousy got the original moulds shall we say of the orginal 600 from Fiat, Fiat moved up a gear and moved to the in wind doors while the copies were built to the original body spec. Seat I believe continued on with the 600 until the mid 80's I read some where!

I managed to get these doors (image attached I hope) which while seconds are bloody good for €250 each and from what I can see they only need paint and a mirror swapped over. Shipping is about €100 so I'm well and truly in the green. I already have a new door skin on the right side that is bare and the left door had a repair section welded in but too much heat was used and there are warps. The seller would not split them and again they were there for the taking, hard to get and I'm happy enough to have them in such good condition.

A lot of those Islands like The Canaries are duty free even though Spanish so yes duty I would imagine could kick in.

Brexit for us Fiat lads might not be an issue, my dad is a Rover and Rolls Royce fan so him buying from Jr Wadhams and Flying Spares may indeed become an issue price wise along with the MG, Austin, Triumph and Mini guys.

Thanks Al, when shes up and running we'll meet for a coffee!! ☘☘☘

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Re: Berlina Thermostat

Gents,

Just a micro update.

Took the radiator out and connected up a garden hose to the heater matrix pipe and flushed it that way and then connected it to the waterpump bypass pipe and sent flow that way.
Still waiting for the pump to be returned but again at least that step has been taken. I didn't take the bypass hose off the thermostat housing and send it that way as there is zero wiggle room. Confident were golden though.

Also changed a rear brake cylinder as one piston was seized, I went to do the other side while I was there but there was no opening one of the bolts, was not happening so I elected to leave well enough alone, ain't broken, leave it be.

I have in underneath the rear arches wirebrushed and I'm going to give them a lick of paint while its arse is in the air.

My 600 doors arrived from Italy, one of them took a bit of a hit in shipping but it's not at all bad and can be repaired, thankfully it was the right door and not the one I need so happiness levels are high!

Hope everyone is well and safe!

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Evening All,

I hope we are safe and well during these trying times!

Pump is back and on and if I must say the difference in sound alone is noticeable!

There is a little weep from it that I'm hoping will just be in and seal, it's not at all bad.

During g the down time I have started on the 600.

Keep well and stay safe!

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