http://www.italiaspeed.com/2008/motorsport/others/mille_miglia/sponsor_park/abarth/1405.html
Nice car and such a cool event to be showing it off on
Nice car and such a cool event to be showing it off on
General 500 Abarth Asetto Corse
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General 500 Abarth Asetto Corse
Im really liking the white rally wheels... very nice.
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Superturismo's are probably the only wheels that will look good on just about any car. Superturismo WRC's like the ones fitted to this car just never quite look right on a road car IMO. Superturismo GT's though look excellent
Now that's more like it...... http://italiaspeed.com/
i want one
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Hmmmm
I would very much like the engine. I wonder how different the Abarth 1.4 is internally from the N/A version? Different rods, pistons, maybe sodium-cooled valves, perhaps?
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I would very much like the engine. I wonder how different the Abarth 1.4 is internally from the N/A version? Different rods, pistons, maybe sodium-cooled valves, perhaps?
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Different compression ratio as well I'd think and the turbo of course. I think you'd be looking at serious money to get a standard 1.4 up to 200bhp.
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Yes. The compression ratio can be lower on the turbo because we have boost above one atmosphere. Also, because of the boost, we don't need such a big valve overlap at high rpms, so the the cam profile is probably different too. On the other hand, stress on the bottom end of the engine is much higher as we have more torque at low rpms, so perhaps a stiffer or nitrided crankshaft might also be required. 200 bhp is a very good output for a 1368cc engine, but getting rid of the heat from such a small engine bay must be tricky.
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The compression of the turbo engine is 9.8:1, which is quite a bit lower than the N/as.
The pistons, crank and conrods are different in the turbos. But the engine spec is none other than what will be the GTA version of the Alfa Mito.
The engine is the same as the Abarth SS engine and wil set you back 3290 + VAT.
The pistons, crank and conrods are different in the turbos. But the engine spec is none other than what will be the GTA version of the Alfa Mito.
The engine is the same as the Abarth SS engine and wil set you back 3290 + VAT.
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Are you sure about that? Most sources say the GTA will have a 1.8l Turbo. Also the Abarth SS 500 will probably be the multiair 1.4 with 165bhp and not 200.
Edit: Scrap that. The Mito WILL have a 1.8 turbo. Just a question of whether it will be a 200bhp one or a 230bhp one.
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Where has Fiat confirmed the 1.8?
The part numbers for the GP T-Jet is the same as the Bravo T-120, Bravo T-150, for the Abarth and SS GP and 500.
The part numbers for the GP T-Jet is the same as the Bravo T-120, Bravo T-150, for the Abarth and SS GP and 500.
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The 500 SS isn't going to have 200bhp so it's not going to be the same engine as such. Fiat aren't going to put a more powerful engine in the 500 SS and leave the GP SS with 20 less HP. It just aint gonna happen.
Fiat hasn't really confirmed any engines for the Mito to be honest. It's the same with all car releases. It won't be there at launch though as the engine isn't ready yet. Fiat is going to have modular engines in the future based on a 450cc cylinder. The 900cc NA and turbocharged engines will replace the 1.2 and 1.4 NA engines respectively across the range. There will be a 1.8 based on this architecture which will be lots of things. Bravo, Mito, Spider, Brera, 159 and 149 in turbo and NA forms.
I'll gladly put £5 down on the table and say that there will be a 1.8l Turbo GTA.
Where did I claim that the 500 SS has got 200bhp?
Whether the power is 165 or 200bhp does not change that the engines are the same.
And a number of éngines have been confirmed.
Whether the 1368 will be replaced by a 900 engine isn't confirmed either. What is confirmed is that the 1368 will loose eventually the inlet cam.
Whether the power is 165 or 200bhp does not change that the engines are the same.
And a number of éngines have been confirmed.
Whether the 1368 will be replaced by a 900 engine isn't confirmed either. What is confirmed is that the 1368 will loose eventually the inlet cam.
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Not to be rude but you're a bit out of touch with the news side of things
The 900cc engine fits in very conveniently with the current range as it's got more power than the 1.4 as well as being more fuel efficient and will be more economical than the 1.2 without losing performance.
Again I'll put £5 on the table and say that c.2010 the 1.4 na and 1.2 engines will disappear from the range.
http://www.fiat.co.uk/Content/?id=10857
There's very little point in developing these engines and having them be all efficient and powerful if you're not going to put them in anything. 500's will even get stop start technology to make them a bit more efficient in traffic too. The new modular arcitecture is win win for Fiat. cheaper to manufacture and with better CO2 emmisions and MPG figures it's going to help sell their cars.
I was a little wrong about Alfa Romeo not confirming any engines. They have mentioned the 1.4 in passing but no big statement with a lineup of engines as this will be done at the launch in June. There is some confusion as to what diesels will launch with the car. Some say it'll be the 1.3 Multijet and some say the 1.6 similar to what's in the Bravo.
P.S You said that the engine was going to be the same. Perhaps mechanically it will be but you can understand when someone like myself calls an engine that develops a different amount of power to be a different engine.
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I read that there will indeed be a modular twin of 900cc, with the new head, a turbo and and stop-go technology, and that this will indeed be light, economical and develop about 110bhp. And there may be a 700cc non-turbo version giving about 80bhp. Now, if this is true, these engines will certainly replace the 1.2. However, there is so much talk of using the current 1.4 turbo in various forthcoming cars that, with the new valve technology adding power and economy, I'd expect to see it keeping on for a few more years.
Of course, a modular 700 could give a new 1.4....and so we speculate.
Whatever happens these are the most interesting current Fiat developments IMHO.
Of course, a modular 700 could give a new 1.4....and so we speculate.
Whatever happens these are the most interesting current Fiat developments IMHO.
Maybe that's what that bit you filled in is for John
!:chin:the more pics I see of the Abarth the more I like it. Didn't like it to begin with but those real life pics don't make it as aggressive looking as the CGI ones.
Mm, sounds like FIAT are on the right track considering the way fuel prices are going. I don't know much about FIAT outside the 500, but am I right in assuming they're not going the way of merc/audi/bmw by refusing to develop the big superfluous 6ltr engines? If so it sounds like they're ahead of the game, in Europe at least, cos as far as I know Honda are thinking an entire generation ahead with their Hydrogen FX car. It'll all get very interesting to see what the big manufacturers start inventing to keep us on the road cheaply and their companies afloat through the impending oil crisis.
The problem being of course: how to we find the energy to manufacture the hydrogen?
At present it it most often converted from natural gas, the resultant hydrogen providing less energy than that used in its conversion - which is a hell of a waste of a clean energy source like gas. The other method is electrolysis, which requires the prior generation of electricity.
The hydrogen thing in America is driven by the desire for clean emissions, which hydrogen has, at the vehicle anyway, but not by the need to conserve energy per se.
Sadly.
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True. Need to look at getting the energy clean. Need wind turbines, tidal power and hydro power. If not they're just shifting the pollution.
