Fiat's are SLOW

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Fiat's are SLOW

I think it's a mistake to say that FIAT, or anyone else for that matter, don't need a competitive high performance model, unless you are aiming your range at a niche market such as the elderly.

Which probably explains why the likes of Kia and Hyundai don't (yet) have a top sporty version; but within my living memory neither did Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Subaru.

One thing that frequently frustrates me is when you read a press review or see Clarkson/Hammond/May saying they like a car, but the handling lets it down, or the performance lets it down, which then reflects on the entire range such as the Punto. Compared with the drab Fords, Vauxhalls, British Leylands, Chryslers et al, Italian cars from run of the mill variants such as the 128 through to sophisticated Alfas, they always had a sporting "bent". Cooking Vivas and Escorts were dull, asmatics when compared with a 128 which fizzed with life and yet after a damn good thrashing would settle down to a nice even tickover instead of hunting like an Escort.

Somewhere I have a copy of Car Magazine from the '70s featuring the then new Ford Escort RS2000 and the FIAT 131 Sport.....the Sport won which affected the public perception of the rest of the 131s from 1.3, through 1.6 to 2000s.

Having a Bravo, for example, win a group test between a Civic, Focus, Astra and Golf would make a big difference to lesser models.

The Uno, series 1 Punto and new Panda all garnered plaudits for all aspects of the cars, but magazinealso gave good qritique on performance and handling. All models were successful. Despite the GP being praised for many things, it's handling and roadholding weren't among them and personally, I think that lack of a performance model went against it.

Short of a lottery win, I can't see me buying a top performance model in the near future, but it makes me feel good about the company I have a great deal of affection for. Great press coverage can make you feel feel good about your car and can make you want to convert others. In other words, a kind of free viral marketing.
 
My 1.3 Mjet is fine for round by me. Rarely get chance to accelerate like mad anyway with there being cars in front or just no point as you know where the next lights are.

Next summer I will be getting a bike, that's where the speed is at. Anybody that says they want speed and settles for a VXR being fast is only going half way. Yes its a bit faster than a fiat but It's not fast. Get a 600 bike for cheap, and cheap to run and there's your fun. Truly fast cars are beyond most peoples budgets.
 
With lots of people on here saying its not all about the speed its more about the handling. Does that mean then that the Fiats have good handling? Better than the ones on that list?
 
With lots of people on here saying its not all about the speed its more about the handling. Does that mean then that the Fiats have good handling? Better than the ones on that list?

Shame theres no real figures for handling, something on paper like 0-60 or BHP. Then Im sure that most fiats would out handle most other euros and quite a lot of japs in the same catagorys.
 
You will simply not match an EP3 Type R's handling! Fully independent rear suspension.
As for saying Fiats are slow, I have a 1.9 GPS, heres a list of my mates cars: Seat Leon Cupra 20vt, Corsa VXR, 54 plate BMW 318, New shape suzuki swift sport. In a straight line the corsa and leon could not shake me at all and the other 2 where no-where to be seen, just left in the puff of derv smoke. Plus IMO I think my grande punto sporting is planted in the bends, all standard chassis.
 
I no longer care about speed. Given the price of fuel and insurance I suspect I'm in an ever increasing majority. Making hot hatches is a thing that belongs to an earlier time when running costs were affordable. I suspect less manufacturers will bother in future as more effort goes into fuel economy.
 
yeah i agree completely,
the Fiat coupe came outaround 1995,and it was a fast machine in turbo form,20valve,5 cyclinder,and 220bhp,and that was over 15 years ago!
We all know FIAT are famous for their small cheeky economical cars,and they sell,but FIAT are also Italian,so i cant see why they cannot bring out a fast hatchback,maybe based on the next generation Bravo,stick a 2 litre
5 cyclinder turbo into it,tune it to around 300bhp,make it rear wheel drive,and go out and open the taps! feel all Italian again!
I know alfa do fast cars,and Arbath performance tuning,but why cant FIAT just make something to make the blood pump a little bit faster!:slayer:
 
yeah i agree completely,
the Fiat coupe came outaround 1995,and it was a fast machine in turbo form,20valve,5 cyclinder,and 220bhp,and that was over 15 years ago!
We all know FIAT are famous for their small cheeky economical cars,and they sell,but FIAT are also Italian,so i cant see why they cannot bring out a fast hatchback,maybe based on the next generation Bravo,stick a 2 litre
5 cyclinder turbo into it,tune it to around 300bhp,make it rear wheel drive,and go out and open the taps! feel all Italian again!
I know alfa do fast cars,and Arbath performance tuning,but why cant FIAT just make something to make the blood pump a little bit faster!:slayer:

Because they don't want to, simple as.
 
fiats aren't really slow-slow compared to other cars in the same class. my 1.6 diesel bravo has kept up with bigger engine cars. just this morning, i was on my private track, and i raced a ford mondeo 2 litre diesel, and I kept on its ar*e all the way, not bad for an 'eco' car in 'grandad brown' ;)
ok, fiat dont make focus RS, or golf 'R' beaters, but their cars like the old coupe, some stradas and that arent far behind.
and why do they need to when they have the lancia brand? :devil:
 
really? wow, that is quick.
The coupes on my longish list of fiats and lancias I want to own one day.
at the end of the day, fiat are no slower than the other car brands, some fiats will be quicker than other brands cars, and some other brand cars will be quicker than some fiats. its swings and roundabouts.
 
With lots of people on here saying its not all about the speed its more about the handling. Does that mean then that the Fiats have good handling? Better than the ones on that list?

I think you'll find it's the other way round. I think the performance is ok throughout the FIAT range athough it does lack an "Italian" Focus RS or ST. The other side of that is something I notice almost every working day. I use my Panda MJ for private mileage and a Fiesta at work.

Although the Fiasco is slightly bigger, there seems little difference in legroom and the Panda has more headroom although it is narrower than the Ford.

The Fiesta has higher gearing which means that at 30mph in 4th there is an unpleasant low frequency vibration. The interior is drab and almost entirely black whereas the Panda is light grey and blue. Without exception, everyone who's driven my little FIAT prefers the gear lever position when compared to others they have driven.

Depite being higher geared, the Ford is noisier than mine. There are only two things I prefer over my Panda in comparison, they are the heated front screen and the handling which is way, way better than mine.

The main reason seems to be the steering. On a twisty road I'd choose the Fiesta over the Panda any day of the week, although I do think mine is, overall, the better car but in terms of handling I have to say that Fords from the (last) Ka to the Mondeo and everything in between knock FIATs into a cocked hat.
 
In a recent list of road test results in a car magazine, just read it in Smith's because I'm too tight to buy it for myself, there was a list of 50 (I think) medium sized hatchback. The three entries from the FIAT stable came something like 50th, 47th and 40th with the Bavo last and the Giulietta a couple of places higher up. Around 40th came the Chrysler (Lancia) Delta.

All of them were criticised for their handling.
 
In a recent list of road test results in a car magazine, just read it in Smith's because I'm too tight to buy it for myself, there was a list of 50 (I think) medium sized hatchback. The three entries from the FIAT stable came something like 50th, 47th and 40th with the Bavo last and the Giulietta a couple of places higher up. Around 40th came the Chrysler (Lancia) Delta.

All of them were criticised for their handling.
Strange how the delta beats the bravo, when i thought the delta was a bravo, with a different body shell, and eveything in the engine bay andunderneath was a fiat bravo.
 
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