The love for my car has sometimes been tested highly when being tailgated. I've had to fully resist the urge to slam my brakes on. Makes me so angry.
Tuning Fiat Bravo 120 T Remap Results
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Tuning Fiat Bravo 120 T Remap Results
I'm starting to think these 0-60 times are bogus.
I did 6 runs tonight, with a proper live "computer" hooked up to my ECU. Speed was adjusted to my GPS. As far as I am concerned, this is a much better, true method of getting accurate times.
Again, to make this a fair test, I measured the time from 0-62 mph, or 0-100 kph. It's common to call it 0-60 cause this gives a faster time... but the reality is, you should measure to 62
Scangauge II measures the speed every 0.2 seconds. So I found it tricky to get 62 mph out of it.
Basically, after 6 runs, my best run was 8.4 seconds at 63 mph.
This car is supposedly running 169 bhp according to the rollers - now considering the 150 T-Jet is apparently at 8.2 to 60 mph.. it kinda makes me wonder.
So, two conclusions;
1. I can't get sufficient power down, I am a rubbish driver, even though I got minimal wheel spin in 1st and no spin in any other gear.
2. People can't take "true" readings and just claim figures based on what they want to see/ hear.
If someone else can get another T-Jet to do a 0-62 in 6.2seconds, a full two seconds faster than mine (as has been said in this thread) I'll be bloody amazed.
Will ask my mate what he used to record his 0-62mph (100kph) time of 6.8. Got a feeling its either OBD or GPS based. Take to mind it's a 200bhp TJet.
I really doubt anything below 7,5 is possible with a 200 bhp car the size of the Bravo.
Well you're wrong. the bravo weighs (well at least the 1.4 tjet) in the 1200kg region. which is quite light and weighs even less than my friend's 2007 Ford Fiesta 1.6TDCI 3dr
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Which one is it haha? Anyway...
If you feel 30 bhp = 1.6 seconds then fair play to you.
Until I see some serious figures it's meaningless. "my mate said" doesn't count for anything
Which was my original point that NO bravo will ever beat a focus ST.Which one is it haha? Anyway...
If you feel 30 bhp = 1.6 seconds then fair play to you.
Until I see some serious figures it's meaningless. "my mate said" doesn't count for anything
The 1.4 Tjet weights 1400 kg, measured personally at two different industrial scales. Get your facts straight
Oh, and this is minus the driver and with 1/4 tank...
I'm not talking about traffic light grand prix. I rarely launch my car or even try to due to the undue strain it puts on the clutch etc.
I'm talking about rolling starts - in the real world a test of a car is how long it gets from say 30 to 70 or 40 to 100.
Having said that, I'd be tempted to take it down the 1/4m sometime...
TBH I thought all the new Ibizas were slow (are they not max 1.6 these days)? The Leon however is available with a 260 2.0T.
But traffic light grand prix's are the best, and if you are neck and neck with a Focus ST in, lets say 3rd gear at 30MPH, id be willing to bet a large ammount of money it would eat any Bravo.
im not too sure about the Ibiza but the Seat leon Bocanegra model is phenomonal. similar set up to the T-jet engines. its also a 1.4 with a turbo, but theyre set up brilliant. my brothers work mate has one with the automatic box. when he activtes launch control it is scary as hell. i believe they run incredibly close to 180 BHP. its chasis and suspension is seup very well too. so much grip.
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Which one is it haha? Anyway...
If you feel 30 bhp = 1.6 seconds then fair play to you.
Until I see some serious figures it's meaningless. "my mate said" doesn't count for anything
Well the 6.2 sec was hand timing (which is pretty inaccurate) but using an app on his iPhone using the accelerometer and GPS it came to a more accurate 6.8 sec.
And according to this page http://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=7325 and this one http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2009/967490/ford_focus_st.html the Focus ST 0-62mph (0-100kph) time is 6.8 secs. I know I don't have proof of it. But sometime in the future the hard evidence will pop up somewhere on this Forum
The 1.4 Tjet weights 1400 kg, measured personally at two different industrial scales. Get your facts straight
Well that's rather wrong. Did they put Ballasts in your car or what? Because either Fiat and the majority of places that have there specs are lying as they state the Kerb Weight as 1275kg (including all fluids and tank at 90%). Feel free to check it in your Bravo Manual. If all places were to go according to this then the Focus ST would not weigh 1317kg but rather 1550kg. Which makes it plausible considering that the Bravo weighing less than the ST wouldn't need as much BHP to keep up with it
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I will confirm that parkers says my model (t-jet 120 Dynamic), weighs 1260KG
Though I'm not sure if that includes all fluids, oils, fuels, spare wheels etc.
Not to mention the 14 and half stone lump that drives it. (Me)
Though I'm not sure if that includes all fluids, oils, fuels, spare wheels etc.
Not to mention the 14 and half stone lump that drives it. (Me)
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My official Fiat Bravo manual, states that the 1.4 TJET 120HP has an empty weight of 1260 kg. (this includes all fluids and 90% full tank).
Yeah, they must have plotted against me and use the same ballasts as to give me exactly the same result - that makes a lot of sense
You do realize that curb weight figure does not factor the trim level and all the accessories you may have? And mind you I am talking about the 150 bhp Sport version here - it has different suspension, exhaust and seats. All of these add weight. Have you lifted one of them two-tone 17" wheels? Trust me, they are HEAVY. My Skydome alone probably adds 50 kg...
My car weights exactly 1370 kg with no fuel and passengers. Add to that 40 kg for the fuel and it's 1410 kg. Let's say the Skydome is 50 kg, that means the average Sport 150 is not less than 1350 kg.
Looks like you are pretty new to the forum, but I urge you to search for 0-100 threads - there are plenty. A lot of cars here are around the 200 bhp mark and nobody has reported anything less than 7,5 seconds.
I have the G-tech gadget that has much more precise GPS and accelerometer than your cheap iPhone apps, and I don't even get near the 7,5 second mark. My car is currently around 185 bhp.
Even with 200 bhp, the Bravo has TERRIBLE grip due to the light front-end, so even with the stickiest tires and the right suspension, you would never, ever, go below the 7 second mark (and even 7 seconds would be really impressive). So taking on the Focus ST would require a different universe with different laws of physics
Yeah, they must have plotted against me and use the same ballasts as to give me exactly the same result - that makes a lot of sense
You do realize that curb weight figure does not factor the trim level and all the accessories you may have? And mind you I am talking about the 150 bhp Sport version here - it has different suspension, exhaust and seats. All of these add weight. Have you lifted one of them two-tone 17" wheels? Trust me, they are HEAVY. My Skydome alone probably adds 50 kg...
My car weights exactly 1370 kg with no fuel and passengers. Add to that 40 kg for the fuel and it's 1410 kg. Let's say the Skydome is 50 kg, that means the average Sport 150 is not less than 1350 kg.
Looks like you are pretty new to the forum, but I urge you to search for 0-100 threads - there are plenty. A lot of cars here are around the 200 bhp mark and nobody has reported anything less than 7,5 seconds.
I have the G-tech gadget that has much more precise GPS and accelerometer than your cheap iPhone apps, and I don't even get near the 7,5 second mark. My car is currently around 185 bhp.
Even with 200 bhp, the Bravo has TERRIBLE grip due to the light front-end, so even with the stickiest tires and the right suspension, you would never, ever, go below the 7 second mark (and even 7 seconds would be really impressive). So taking on the Focus ST would require a different universe with different laws of physics
Hahaha well now that you mention you have a SkyDome I can account for the extra weight
although I'm pretty sure having metal pedals or a chrome exhaust tip isn't going to add more than the 10kgs. Sure side skirts could add a bit. But the difference in suspension surely won't add extra weight that's substantial enough to add a few more kgs on the car.
I am not going to argue anymore; I told you exactly how much my car weights in real life. You can continue reading the manual and dreaming about 6 second 0-100 times all you want
Like I sad before: it's al due to the gearbox. The fact you have to change gears 2 times untill 62/100 ruins a good time.
Fact is, that after 80km/ph the Bravo T-jet 150 (chipped) is a really fast car. After I have changed my drive shafts, I will make a video of my accelerations. My t-jet sport got 185BHP and 300NM.
Fact is, that after 80km/ph the Bravo T-jet 150 (chipped) is a really fast car. After I have changed my drive shafts, I will make a video of my accelerations. My t-jet sport got 185BHP and 300NM.
So do we all agree we love our bravo's. They are pretty powerful when modded but they definitely don't beat ST's or 3.0 Audi's
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Hmm, another suspect figure.
HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252...
If your max torque comes in at the same time as mine
300nm x 3594rpm ÷ 5252 = 205 bhp
If your max torque comes in at 2874RPM (as had been quoted in this thread by another member)
300nm x 2874 ÷ 5252 = 164 bhp
Now, if your car is like mine, and it gets it's power at the very top end, 5,500 rpm.. which in theory max power should be...
Move the equation; TORQUE = HP x 5252 ÷ RPM
185hp x 5252 ÷ 5500rpm = 238
If your car is dropping from 300mn down to 238 nm by the red line, then you need to seriously look at your engine. 26% drop is vast. In comparison, 3,500 to 5,500 mine drops from 243 down to 216, a 12% drop
Put another way....
Astra VXR 2.0 T (240 bhp) comes in at 320nm of torque. Are you seriously suggesting you are only shy 20 nm off a VXR? That has 55 more bhp? And don't suggest the transmission - they use the same M32 gearbox.
To cut a long story short - your figures aren't possible.
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