Panda (Classic) Engelbert the H reg Dark Green Sisley Progress Log

[VmanC]

Hi Cameron,

Not had a chance to follow this so far but will try to catch up soon. Glad to see you're going for it though.

With regards to your bonnet, most paint shops would charge about £150 per panel, and that doesn't normally mean both sides so for a good job I'd say £200 is a fair price.

If you want to have a go yourself you don't really want to be going down to the original primer, have you ever tried sanding off one layer of paint and not breaking through the next? All you need to do is create a solid base to paint over. If the red top coat is not flaking or badly scratched you only need to sand it to give a good key for the new paint. Use as fine a grit of wet and dry paper as you can to achieve this, if you're not having to remove deep scratches 400 grit could well do the job. If the surface you're keying is really good you can get away with going over the surface with something like this.

 

[onemanmade]

Hi Cameron,

Not had a chance to follow this so far but will try to catch up soon. Glad to see you're going for it though.

With regards to your bonnet, most paint shops would charge about £150 per panel, and that doesn't normally mean both sides so for a good job I'd say £200 is a fair price.

If you want to have a go yourself you don't really want to be going down to the original primer, have you ever tried sanding off one layer of paint and not breaking through the next? All you need to do is create a solid base to paint over. If the red top coat is not flaking or badly scratched you only need to sand it to give a good key for the new paint. Use as fine a grit of wet and dry paper as you to achieve this, if you're not having to remove deep scratches 400 grit could well do the job. If the surface you're keying is really good you can get away with going over the surface with something like this.

Great advice Vernon thanks! I didn't actually know you could do that, I'm a bit more confident at giving it a go now!

would i still do a layer of primer?

 

[VmanC]

Would i still do a layer of primer?

I really need to read this thread to understand what level of restoration you're going for, but for a quick answer now I'd say no, you could go straight on with the top coat.

A primer coat would help if the new colour was vastly different to the red, or if you wanted to check the surface finish before putting on the top coat, but if you're going to do more than put a top coat straight on you would need to seriously consider having the job done professionally as the cost in time and money will start to be very similar.

 

[onemanmade]

I really need to read this thread to understand what level of restoration you're going for, but for a quick answer now I'd say no, you could go straight on with the top coat.

A primer coat would help if the new colour was vastly different to the red, or if you wanted to check the surface finish before putting on the top coat, but if you're going to do more than put a top coat straight on you would need to seriously consider having the job done professionally as the cost in time and money will start to be very similar.

I'm not wanting a show car if that's what you mean, just a decent looking same colour bonnet

This is cracking stuff Vernon, thanks for the advice

I suppose if the worst comes to the worst and I can't do it properly I can always take it to be done professionally at some point.

Trying to do as much as I can myself in terms of learning more and saving money.

 

[onemanmade]

Took the fuel tank sender off, put some fluid through the pipes and they are clear, the in tank filter is fine too, though there are ethanol deposits on it which I have cleaned. The nuts came off relatively easily without shearing or rounding off

I was trying to think of a way to clean out and de-rust the inside of the tank (as it sat with stale fuel in for 5 years). Preferably without having to buy anything more before payday! So I used the rust remover dip I have, and filled the tank with it! Quite clever I thought, a bit of outside the box (or inside??) Thinking . Will most likely use fuel tank sealer once this step is finished, but will assess how it looks after this step. I have seen photos of worse

Also included a photo of my new office wall decoration

 

[onemanmade]

How to remove rust from metal fuel tank insides: [ame]http://youtu.be/9WJmc-mPHK0[/ame]

 

[onemanmade]

Trial refitted the sump guard today, looks great and is being held well with the new bolts at the front, plenty space left for bullbars too

Reassembled the tank and painted the underside with hammerite, once it is dry will do the topside. The rust remover flush got rid of a lot of the crap in there and I am happy with it. Will do tank sealer too though as an extra precaution.

Also found my primer and lacquer so am happy to start painting the bonnet next weekend (damn these weekends are short!!)

All in all happy with progress this week

 

[onemanmade]

Got paint mixed up today at halfords, its a great match! For anyone who wants to get the Dark Green Sisley paint (Verde Tropico) the code on the sticker inside the car is 377/f but it isn't this on the halfords system, there are 3 under the code 377 on their system, and the one you want has very helpfully got "years 87-91" written next to it :Thumb:

 

[firstcar-Y10]

Got paint mixed up today at halfords, its a great match! For anyone who wants to get the Dark Green Sisley paint (Verde Tropico) the code on the sticker inside the car is 377/f but it isn't this on the halfords system, there are 3 under the code 377 on their system, and the one you want has very helpfully got "years 87-91" written next to it :Thumb:

Yup, total convert to Halfords paint mixing.

 

[onemanmade]

Yup, total convert to Halfords paint mixing.

It is an excellent match, and for the price and convenience is great value.

Did I just say that about halfrauds??

 

[onemanmade]

Hi Cameron,

Not had a chance to follow this so far but will try to catch up soon. Glad to see you're going for it though.

Forgot to say, will be interested to hear your thoughts on what I am doing and the car itself. And I hope all is ok at your end mate

 

[Palio]

Yup, total convert to Halfords paint mixing.

It is an excellent match, and for the price and convenience is great value.

Did I just say that about halfrauds??

Yep they managed Adriatic Blue 408F for my 127 in 2 different stores. Nothg remarkable you'd think but as panda1408 can attest a specialist paint supplier failed miserably several times - he got it done at Halfrauds in the end! They also mixed Chiaro light perfectly.

 

[VmanC]

Forgot to say, will be interested to hear your thoughts on what I am doing and the car itself. And I hope all is ok at your end mate

All good, thanks Cameron. Will catch up and let you know asap.

 

[onemanmade]

I have painted the rest of the fuel tank, it looks amazing

I have also started the process of painting the bonnet using spray cans I got mixed up from halfords. Nearly ready to put the coats of lacquer on once the topcoat is dry. Its not the worlds best job, but for my first attempt I am actually very pleased with it.

 

[Giacosa]

Doing a great job mate

 

[onemanmade]

Doing a great job mate

Thanks Kris its finished now and in all fairness looks blotchy but I am happy with it, I did it myself for a decent price and its a skill learned, though obviously experience will make me better at it.

 

[onemanmade]

Here is the video for those interested. How to respray a car panel using spray cans at ho…: [ame]http://youtu.be/VWL8C8LxXBY[/ame]

 

[onemanmade]

So I looked at the finish of the bonnet today, and its not great, the blotchy bits haven't dried as I thought they would so the finish is pretty patchy. Dust has also been a problem in my shed. So I think the best plan is to put it on the car just now and redo it once I have the double garage which will be a bigger and hopefully less dusty space to work in. Its not bad though I don't think. And certainly an improvement on the old rusty one! I am learning and gaining experience too which is the whole point of this car for me.

The look oddly suits the rugged look I am going for

 

[firstcar-Y10]

http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-body-repairs/car-body-fillers/halfords-rubbing-compound
..And a lot of elbow grease. It'll never look factory but you can get a decent finish from the powdery look you've got now. Finish with T- cut or whatever new-fangled improved version everyone else recommends.

 

[nitro_warrior]

Getting a really good finish with rattle cans over a big area is tough. One thing that helps is using a colour that you can afford to buy a lot of spray cans so you don't have to skimp.

I decided my car was close enough to wheel trim silver and now just buy this stuff in job lots of 12 500ml Tetrosyl Wheel Silver and similar x12 job lots of laquer. Its a good way to by paint but you're limited to basic colours!

I must have got through over a dozen doing two doors a bonnet and boot. Even then the finish isn't great.

Its worth remembering with any painting the next coat won't smooth/hide imperfections it will make it stand out 10 times worse. :bang: I hate painting!