General Buying a 2016 500x lounge at 110000 miles is it worth it?

[sekharsomu]

Hi, This is a car with almost all options with 110000+ miles also has a very minor accident but drove quite a few miles even after that also the car seems to be in good condition they are asking $13000 below is the car fax:

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I have a quick question

1. Are there any important issues that I might face with this mileage? I am just gone issue it for day-to-day city activities.(groceries, dropping my child at school etc)
2. Is it worth buying at 110k miles I heard that the jeep renegade is only good until 150000 miles (I believe this is based on the same platform) any one with personal experience?
3. is the price good? and is worth buying at this mileage?
4. what kind of big and small costs should I incur in the next 2 years
5. what should I look for when I test drive?



*looking to buy this car as current new car prices are still high and seem a little reasonable for the no of features it offers

 

[AndyRKett]

If this uses the multiair engine (and I suspect it does?) then this would be my main concern, has the multiair unit started showing signs of failure in which case its a very Very expensive repair and at 110k miles it's prime territory for that sort of repair.

 

[porta]

We would need to know engine, gearbox (probably be auto in US) and spec
Somethings you get that we definitely don’t, like the 2.4 tigershark engine

 

[sekharsomu]

Hi yes it’s a 2.4l i4 multi air tiger shark engine and it’s auto so I do have a obd scanner so I can check engine for sensor level indicators and I can check the engine oil, brake fluid and coolant quality what else do I need to look for?

Also as attached in the car fax above the owner seems to have done all the oil changes very regularly as indicated by manual

 

[porta]

Hi yes it’s a 2.4l i4 multi air tiger shark engine and it’s auto so I do have a obd scanner so I can check engine for sensor level indicators and I can check the engine oil, brake fluid and coolant quality what else do I need to look for?

Also as attached in the car fax above the owner seems to have done all the oil changes very regularly as indicated by manual

The link isn’t working for us in the UK.
Over on the Jeep forums, the tigershark engine has mostly been praised (we don’t get it here so can’t directly comment)
That engine was ‘fettled’ by Fiat to increase its flexibility and fuel economy, which some Chrysler/Jeep diehards bemoaned, but generally the reviews are positive.
Like any engine, it should last a lifetime if properly maintained, giving special attention to time/mileage changes for important parts such as belts/chains/pumps etc.
If you’re not mechanically or, these days electronically, minded, you could always get a specialist car examiner to check the car for you and insist on the sale being subject to a free extended warranty…I always haggle!
There are plenty of threads for specific ‘niggles’ of the 500X but it’s through ‘love’ that we find ways to live with our cars!

 

[porta]

Common fault to both the 500X, and Renegade which it shares a lot with are:
Stop Start system, (this is common to lots of manufacturers) battery on its way out, or rarely, a position sensor external to the gearbox
Tyre pressure sensor, (again, common to lots of manufacturers) usually it’s come adrift rather than sensor fault
Rear light cluster connector, common to both 500 and renegade, I fixed wife’s Jeep as I’d caught it in time on passenger side, pin/socket loose in connector, can cause arcing, causing heat and pin/socket expands breaking connections or, if left, melts plastic so new lamp needed, as it did on wife’s which needed new drivers side lamp

 

[sekharsomu]

Attaching carfax report @porta

 

[porta]

Looks pretty comprehensive, even the collision with deer, so long as it’s been repaired properly.
All oil changes carried out as per FCA intervals (according to report)
I did note that it has had its recall notice, which was to do with emissions, and also noted the checks to electronic controls.
The one thing I did pick up from the forums was oil consumption and that oil changes were important, but that’s par for the course for any engine I would have thought?!?
As I say, ‘we’ in the UK have no experience with this variant (although it’s related to the Chrysler/Daimler it is effectively a new engine) so don’t rely on us here…if you’re really tempted, get an independent assessor to physically look at the vehicle.

 

[The Panda Nut]

I dint know your market, but here that would be quite a high end price for that age and milage. It has to be about condition condition condition. You need also to think of what someone else will pay if you sell on in a year or two. It might then be very low value and 13000 is quite a lot to loose.

 

[sekharsomu]

Thanks I will looking into the price $ 13000 Is little high I will try and haggle it

 

[AndyRKett]

I dint know your market, but here that would be quite a high end price for that age and mileage. It has to be about condition condition condition. You need also to think of what someone else will pay if you sell on in a year or two. It might then be very low value and 13000 is quite a lot to loose.

I agree. The $13000us equates to about £10300 at the time of writing.

I found a 2.0L multijet (the best comparison we have here in the UK) for £10,300 with all the options checked, leather, 4x4 9 speed auto, satnav touch screen etc., but this one only had 60k miles on the clock. And its worth noting that UK cars can be quite expensive compared to US prices. so there is definitely room for negotiation.

Also here hitting a Deer is often fairly minor but you get much bigger Deer than we do.

 

[sekharsomu]

Yepp that’s very true but because of the inflation dealers are trying to upsell everything when I called them they told me the base price 11,300 + additional must haves(markup) are detailing+gps+dashcam. Is another 2900 + taxes and said the total is 16000 I thought this some kind of joke trying to apply a markup on used car that is on the lot for 90 days so I told them I can’t go beyond 13000 including taxes but even that looks high as I see hard times ahead with the current economic situation I will see if the come to 11k in total else I will wait

 

[porta]

Yup…let em sweat

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Used car salesmen, or car salesmen in general, are quite good at the old smoke and mirrors when it comes to parting you from your money. I always do my early research and then I like to decide what I'm going to pay for a vehicle during the negotiating stage with them during which the trade in price on your old car may well be nudged up to make it look like you're getting a good deal but then they come back at you with "admin charges" and other unexpected stuff. I like to let the sales person get themselves well into the whole procedure by which time they will have invested quite a bit of time and effort into "reeling" you in - letting you look all over the car, sit in it, get wife to sit in it, talk about how much you like it and the colour etc, and take a test drive by which time you will have been able to asses what the likely base figure is that they are going to part with the vehicle for. So when the "adjusted" figures are being discussed, providing you're somewhere in the ball park that you consider worth paying, you allow yourself to express excitement and look keen to buy. This encourages the salesman who by now has invested a lot of time in this so he's getting hooked on this deal. Now you know what the base figure really is then when they start loading the deal up you start looking very disappointed and start expressing doubts as to whether you can afford that. Keep on playing this game and it's likely the salesman will tell you he has to go and see the manager just in case there's a better deal to be done. This is all good, it's getting them more invested in trying to do a deal with you. It's likely then that they'll come back with a figure somewhere in between, at which you look as if you are about to burst into tears and say that you really can't go beyond the figure you have in mind. Say no more, refuse credit deals telling them you know that will only cost more in the long run which you can't afford anyway and let them chat amongst themselves. If they seem to be taking more than a few minutes then start slowly, because you don't want them to have too long to think about it and anyway, want them to "catch" you, start walking towards the door. Also go in towards the end of a month, if that salesman hasn't met his target for that month he'll be hungry, also, if you can, buy in the weeks leading up to Christmas - no one buys cars just before Christmas - there are other good times to buy, but nothing beats the lead up to Christmas. Above all, hold your nerve, be polite and courteous, don't get emotional and don't react to them if they become emotional. Finally, If it's not working out, politely say, "this isn't working for me" and start walking for the door, but not too quickly, give them time to reconsider, they may just be having a really poor sales performance that month. At the end of the day you have to be prepared to walk though if you're not getting anywhere.

Edit. PS It's worth considering that if they are good at buying in there may well be more money for them to play with in a used vehicle than in a new one. So you may have more success negotiating where you're buying a used car than a new one where margins will likely be tighter. The sale of a new car starts a chain of used vehicles of decreasing value until the last one in the chain is sold and that's when you - the garage - see how much profit you've really made. It's always very tempting to close out one of these chains so asking what the price would be for an outright buy and then selling your trade in to one of the online purchasers, might get you a good deal as long as your old car is in good serviceable condition.

 

[The Panda Nut]

My trick is to let them run on and get the order ready and then tell them what Im going to pay. At that point I get my pen out and repeat what the price has to be. It seems to work if you pitch your mean bid not too far apart. Ive always knocked a few hundred off by this tactic. This was all started by a Vauxhall dealer who used to work for the Renault dealer. When he realised I was going Renault he spilled the bean on their margins and exactly how low I could push them. He said go in at this price and stick. They will still be making £50 or £60!!! Anyway it worked because the day was the last of their sales quarter.

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

The tiger shark is an engine I've only heard of, never even seen one on my trips across the pond. However I came across this: https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=184 So it seems it's Multiair as Andy mentions above which to me says I wouldn't be going anywhere near it unless I knew it had been most meticulously serviced with only the exact correct oil used every time. I wouldn't necessarily be put of by the high mileage, especially as you guys over there tend to do longer journeys than us which is better for the engine, although the multiair/twinair "worries" me too much for me to consider owning one myself. But at anything over 100,000 miles - British miles that is - I'd be looking to buy at bargain basement prices.

 

[bugsymike]

My trick is to let them run on and get the order ready and then tell them what Im going to pay. At that point I get my pen out and repeat what the price has to be. It seems to work if you pitch your mean bid not too far apart. Ive always knocked a few hundred off by this tactic. This was all started by a Vauxhall dealer who used to work for the Renault dealer. When he realised I was going Renault he spilled the bean on their margins and exactly how low I could push them. He said go in at this price and stick. They will still be making £50 or £60!!! Anyway it worked because the day was the last of their sales quarter.

I went to buy a a Humber Super Snipe some years ago , on getting there I realised it was very rough, so I offered an insulting low price with the intentions of it being rejected, but that both our honors had been satisfied, unfortunately the guy took a breath and said, OK so I had to drive it home I did eventually get it MOTed but didn't keep it long.

 

[porta]

The tiger shark is an engine I've only heard of, never even seen one on my trips across the pond. However I came across this: https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=184 So it seems it's Multiair as Andy mentions above which to me says I wouldn't be going anywhere near it unless I knew it had been most meticulously serviced with only the exact correct oil used every time. I wouldn't necessarily be put of by the high mileage, especially as you guys over there tend to do longer journeys than us which is better for the engine, although the multiair/twinair "worries" me too much for me to consider owning one myself. But at anything over 100,000 miles - British miles that is - I'd be looking to buy at bargain basement prices.

The US forums, for Jeep n dodge where this engine is more commonly found, have been more positive about this engine…I think many of Americans, that buy new/newer cars, stick more stringently to service times/mileages and manufacturers recommendations of parts/oils/filters etc as they are more litigious than us, and their proof in claims is that they did things by the book…as I said earlier, at first they were suspicious of the engine but many have come to like it, even if that means extra oil changes than the engine it was originally based on.
It would be nice to have first hand experience of the tigershark, but a stretch of pond and a lack of will by FCA denied us the opportunity

 

[porta]

I went to buy a a Humber Super Snipe some years ago , on getting there I realised it was very rough, so I offered an insulting low price with the intentions of it being rejected, but that both our honors had been satisfied, unfortunately the guy took a breath and said, OK so I had to drive it home I did eventually get it MOTed but didn't keep it long.

I remember my uncles snipe, my grandads hunter and another uncles sceptre…I think rust came as standard…wehn I briefly worked at a Peugeot dealer, they were clearing out their compound, we found the wooded area at the back was not always wooded, and there were ‘new’ unregistered talbot avengers with trees growing through them!

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

The US forums, for Jeep n dodge where this engine is more commonly found, have been more positive about this engine…I think many of Americans, that buy new/newer cars, stick more stringently to service times/mileages and manufacturers recommendations of parts/oils/filters etc as they are more litigious than us, and their proof in claims is that they did things by the book…as I said earlier, at first they were suspicious of the engine but many have come to like it, even if that means extra oil changes than the engine it was originally based on.
It would be nice to have first hand experience of the tigershark, but a stretch of pond and a lack of will by FCA denied us the opportunity

The Americans have always been very keen on regular oil changes and when you go over there this is very evident from the number of Fast Fit type drive in garages who make a big deal of oil changes. Probably where Tommy Farmer got his idea for his stores from.