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Panda (Classic) 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

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Hello everyone, as some of you saw, I am now the proud owner of a Panda 4x4, as previously discussed in this thread: https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-classic/448853-sisley-ebay.html

Rough around the edges, rusty around various edges as well, but ready to go. Ticketed till next year and just been insured and taxed in my name so I'll be on the road in it by tomorrow!

When I entered the Panda scene, the 4x4 Sisley soon became a dream for me, little did I know this one would present itself so soon and so nearby. Once it had come up, I had to go see it. After a very thorough look around and a little bit of haggling, the seller took an offer for the car and we drove away that night. Here's a picture of the Fizz and Sisley sitting pretty on the seller's farm :)
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The Sisley surprised me at how different it was to my 93 Fizz at first. The gearbox and stick has a different feel, and the manual choke/carb/distributor is all something new compared to the auto choke, SPI, distributorless 93 engine! I'm definitely excited to get acquainted to the Sisley though, and I am also looking forward to making the most of the 4x4 system off road at some point. Pictures will be coming soon off road of course, when I get it there, but first a picture of the car sitting with Pandino and Chaz at home :cool:
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All in all a bit of works needs to be done but this is definitely a great start for me in the 4x4 scene. I hope to meet some other 4x4 owners off road once I've learned some skills as well, so more on this lovely little Sisley to come, stay tuned! :D
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Oh, and the nickname, "Four by Fork". Reason being, as soon as I saw the car advertised, I noticed it looked like the number plate said Fork. I dabbled with the idea of "The Forking Panda" and "Forkie", but once I thought of "Four by Fork", I knew that had to be the one... though I suppose I can still call it Fork for short, and if it ever decides to conk out on me then it'll turn into Forking Panda really quickly! (y)

I'll be posting more updates here soon but if anyone has any interests or questions then let me know. What I've done so far is fit a parcel shelf and started to clean the interior, as well as refit the bonnet vent as it wasn't on properly before!
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kolza said:
That was my initial thought when the noise was not there during test drive or on the way back.
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Yes, that bit is a little odd, maybe they had been packed with grease to shut them up them for selling, and since it has all come out.

To be fair if you could put up with the rattling, the current joints would still work perfectly well once cleaned up. After all they do very little and are only under load when in 4WD.
 
kolza said:
Here is probably the cheapest solution.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEEP-CHER...521412?hash=item4aaf2cb044:g:474AAOSwNRdYBhHn
ps. one part will not get used - the blanking plate.
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Thanks for the link, I take it the Jeep part is a fit for the Panda then?

I think that first I am going to look at greasing and cleaning up the joint, and then see if the noise changes or goes away. If I can get it to go then I can make sure it's probably greased, put a new gaiter on and hopefully it will be fixed :p
panda1408 said:
Hmm, that looks just a tad worn! Probably been running with the gaiter split for quite some time. Quite often a clean, re grease and new gaiter sorts things out, but I'd say they are probably past it.
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I'd imagine so, there's no gaiter there at all really, just one end with a zip tie holding it on to the shaft!

I can easily give it some new grease and I'll find some time to clean it up and see how it sounds. If it gets better then I'll give it a thorough clean, grease and get a new gaiter for it - if not then a new joint it is.
kolza said:
That was my initial thought when the noise was not there during test drive or on the way back.
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panda1408 said:
Yes, that bit is a little odd, maybe they had been packed with grease to shut them up them for selling, and since it has all come out.

To be fair if you could put up with the rattling, the current joints would still work perfectly well once cleaned up. After all they do very little and are only under load when in 4WD.
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It is possible that the long drive and heat hence caused had an effect on the joint/what ever grease used to be on there, so I think it is best to try out the cleaning method first to see how far a stage it has all gone. I'll report back with more findings once I've got time to take a closer look and try greasing it :)

I'll definitely need to source a new gaiter for it though, regardless of how far the rest of it has gone (y)
 
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FDNY21 said:
Thanks for the link, I take it the Jeep part is a fit for the Panda then?
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OD: 100mm
W: 32mm
Splines : 25


Look for ford Grany as they have same cv and boot design, XJ seems to have wider opening for greater prop angle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sier...009920?hash=item46435eff40:g:0vMAAOSwopRYfsNc


CV joint itself is generic part, and it should not have such a axial play.


CV joint do wear and it looks like free spinning prop in 2wd mode isn't helping at all. CLICK rear half shafts would be helpful.
 
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Haven't used the 4x4 in a few days as the Fizz finally got some attention again, but here's a picture I took on the lane :)
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Current wishlist (birthday is coming up ;))
  • Inner driveshaft gaiters
  • Inner driveshaft bearings
  • Outer driveshaft gaiters
  • Prop shaft CV joint gaiters
  • Gearbox oil

My current plan is to take a good look at that front CV joint area on the prop. If I can pack the CV with grease then hopefully it will help the problem and then I can replace the gaiters.

Lots of gaiters! Once all replaced then hopefully that rattle isn't so prominent, the gearbox oil won't go all over the floor and the outer driveshaft gaiters will stop coming up on the MOT advisories :D
 
FDNY21 said:
Haven't used the 4x4 in a few days as the Fizz finally got some attention again, but here's a picture I took on the lane :)

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Current wishlist (birthday is coming up ;))

  • Inner driveshaft gaiters
  • Inner driveshaft bearings
  • Outer driveshaft gaiters
  • Prop shaft CV joint gaiters
  • Gearbox oil



My current plan is to take a good look at that front CV joint area on the prop. If I can pack the CV with grease then hopefully it will help the problem and then I can replace the gaiters.



Lots of gaiters! Once all replaced then hopefully that rattle isn't so prominent, the gearbox oil won't go all over the floor and the outer driveshaft gaiters will stop coming up on the MOT advisories :D
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Loads of gaffa tape is a start !!
 
Taken to the pit today. Typical rust and oil underneath but overall not bad! Checked gaiters, inner driveshafts have oil on so may need replacing anyway, outers do look fine actually but they came up as an advisory so again, still looking at replacing.

The main reason for getting the Fork on the pit however was to check the prop. The prop shaft was undone from he CV in front of it, and the CV then packed with grease. Put back together to see how it went, turns out the noise still occurs! So, next plan of action is to remove the prop completely and clean it up even better with new grease but we ran out of time today. Then once it has been cleaned up completely I can gauge if I need a whole new joint or just a new gaiter.
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Sitting pretty outside the garage :)
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FDNY21 said:
Taken to the pit today. Typical rust and oil underneath but overall not bad! Checked gaiters, inner driveshafts have oil on so may need replacing anyway, outers do look fine actually but they came up as an advisory so again, still looking at replacing.



The main reason for getting the Fork on the pit however was to check the prop. The prop shaft was undone from he CV in front of it, and the CV then packed with grease. Put back together to see how it went, turns out the noise still occurs! So, next plan of action is to remove the prop completely and clean it up even better with new grease but we ran out of time today. Then once it has been cleaned up completely I can gauge if I need a whole new joint or just a new gaiter.

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Sitting pretty outside the garage :)

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Ok Owen it could be the rubber bearings does it happen when in 4 x4. If not that could be the case
If the prop is dented it also could be cause of vibration
The whole prop assembly can be removed leaving"" fork "" still drivable !! Whilst you refurbish [emoji108][emoji1009][emoji1009][emoji108][emoji209][emoji1360]
 
1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

Throw that adjustable spanner away
There the devils work
Only to be used for throwing across the garage when pissed off with pandas
 
Sjvarley said:
Ok Owen it could be the rubber bearings does it happen when in 4 x4. If not that could be the case
If the prop is dented it also could be cause of vibration
The whole prop assembly can be removed leaving"" fork "" still drivable !! Whilst you refurbish [emoji108][emoji1009][emoji1009][emoji108][emoji209][emoji1360]
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Does the noise happen in 4x4? Hard to tell, only used 4x4 twice so far and both times never get fast enough to hear the noise because it tends to be prominent when cruising at say 30 or when letting off the throttle and decelerating. Hopefully a closer inspection of the CV with the prop off will determine if I need more bearings/joints or just clean and new gaiters!

Prop doesn't look dented though, and yes prop assembly is planned to be removed so I can take that closer look :) Will mean I'll have to stay away from the rough stuff a bit longer but with the driveshaft gaiters to look at as well then that's fine, still got time!
Sjvarley said:
Throw that adjustable spanner away
There the devils work
Only to be used for throwing across the garage when pissed off with pandas
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The adjustable isn't actually mine or my father's, when we were packing up we had no idea how it got there!? :confused: We think either my granddad left it out while working on another car or my little cousin was playing around with lots of tools and ended up putting one of my granddad's tools with ours :p
 
Ok are you sure it's not a wheel bearing or even a buckled wheel all sorts of things can make noise
The prop shaft is a task if not attempted before so get some advice first or check other threads !!!!!
If you strip down the cruciform message me !!
 
FDNY21 said:
The adjustable isn't actually mine or my father's, when we were packing up we had no idea how it got there!? :confused: We think either my granddad left it out while working on another car or my little cousin was playing around with lots of tools and ended up putting one of my granddad's tools with ours :p
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A tall tale (y)
 
Sjvarley said:
Ok are you sure it's not a wheel bearing or even a buckled wheel all sorts of things can make noise
The prop shaft is a task if not attempted before so get some advice first or check other threads !!!!!
If you strip down the cruciform message me !!
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Have you seen the video of me moving the prop from the underneath of the car? It makes the similar noise when you move the prop (coming from the direction of the front cv) so shouldn't be anything other than the prop or the joints associated and attached to it, it's just finding out which part of it is to blame which unfortunately means I'm going to have to take it off and have a look! Hopefully soon because I want to get off road with some mates and consider Andy's trip as well!
Phiz said:
A tall tale (y)
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I promise we left it over in granddad's toolbox! Not ours! ;)
 
Yep it's your mover shame hold your head low. Very low
 
The noise may actually be from the rear of the front prop then, so that end must be removed next, cv greased and then see if it's better. Should be, as the noise still occurred when the front was re-greased. Either way, my Land Rover friend has mentioned a reputable bearings shop that should be able to get new cvs for me so I may replace the whole front and rear cv. See how it plays out after the next lot of grease and when the prop is off I can inspect it better! :)
 
FDNY21 said:
The noise may actually be from the rear of the front prop then, so that end must be removed next, cv greased and then see if it's better. Should be, as the noise still occurred when the front was re-greased. Either way, my Land Rover friend has mentioned a reputable bearings shop that should be able to get new cvs for me so I may replace the whole front and rear cv. See how it plays out after the next lot of grease and when the prop is off I can inspect it better! :)
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good plan! you are getting there
 
Had the Fork on the ramp today to get to work on removing the prop!
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So, removing one of the nuts today and this happens to the spanner... so, quick trip to the shop to buy some more spanners and some hex keys while I'm at it :p
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Used some bumper shine on the side trims and they've come up very well. You can see the grey here that it was before, now it is all in the nice black you see above it!
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After a while, all the bolts were loosened and removed. To get the prop shaft out, a couple hits with a hammer at either end were needed to loosen it from where it was housed, and then the exhaust rubber mount is removed to take the prop out. Not sure what will be done for sure next but my assumption is it is going to need new cvs, if not then a good clean and sort out that's for sure!
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Front and rear have been marked, the rear cv was making the noise but if they need replacing then it may be best to replace both
 
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