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Citroen are back to their quirky best now. The new C3 even comes with a built in dashcam, which is long overdue in cars. Plus those big anti-dent buffers on the side
The lack of hydro suspension and distinct powertrain will always relegate Citroen to a position of a less reliable Peugeot to me.

We have a DS3 it's a very nice looking car but everything on it is a hand-me-down from another usually cheaper car. Dash from a C3 trip computer and stalks from a 307, engine and gearbox from a van. If it hadn't gone rusty, leaked and the dealer wasn't a cretin we probably would have considered a new C3 but the idea of a Citroen is currently much better than actually having one.
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The lack of hydro suspension and distinct powertrain will always relegate Citroen to a position of a less reliable Peugeot to me.

We have a DS3 it's a very nice looking car but everything on it is a hand-me-down from another usually cheaper car. Dash from a C3 trip computer and stalks from a 307, engine and gearbox from a van. If it hadn't gone rusty, leaked and the dealer wasn't a cretin we probably would have considered a new C3 but the idea of a Citroen is currently much better than actually having one.
I think they are supposed to be a less fancy Peugeot, or at least as far as I've been informed when I was in the trade.


Apparently in France (so I was told), a Citroen is just expected to be a low spec A-B car.
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Italian cars are built by Italian engineers. great engineering skills, overlaid with emotion and passion. Somehow, that comes through to the driver. Even if it becomes unreliable, and then you hate it, after it is gone, you'll miss it.

German cars are built by engineers. Clinical, efficient, reliable (mostly). But when its gone, you look forward to the next, and just remember you had one.

French cars are built by ? Insert your own idea here. I've not worked it out yet.
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My nominations, starting with some Chryslers:


PT Cruiser


Ypsilon



Citroen C3
With you on the PT Cruiser..horrific POS, the ypsilon is not too bad and the C3 is just dull.
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Speaking of quirky Citroen's..currently rolling this



What do people make of these?
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Speaking of quirky Citroen's..currently rolling this



What do people make of these?

On the whole, I quite like them. Interesting looks, not 100% sure on the 'four eyes' front end look with those Nissan style eyebrow lights.

Lots to like, but I only ever saw one that had been rented and really not looked after.
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I want to like the cactus but three words:

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French cars in general. End of. Flimsy plastic tat, much like anything the Yanks think they can foist on us like P.T.Cruisers and 300c's. Shoddy,shoddy cars with 80's Yugo trim plastics. Used to hate BMW's but now it's the drivers - the cars are quite good. Talking of drivers, I'm getting fed up of customers coming in who think that just because they can buy a Range Rover, Disco 3/4 or RR Sport for Focus money they can run them for Focus money - wrong! No no no - they are serious money pits at the best of times! O.K. rant over for now.
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@maggers There's a very interesting video of a man on YouTube who bought a 2010 Range Rover in 2013 just out of warranty. He paid $3900 for a 6 year independent warranty. I think since then he's had a bill of around $5000 and it's the stupid things like steering height adjustment motor that keep failing again and again.. Madness but some people get themselves into debt to keep up the rich boy persona!!!
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Talking of drivers, I'm getting fed up of customers coming in who think that just because they can buy a Range Rover, Disco 3/4 or RR Sport for Focus money they can run them for Focus money - wrong! No no no - they are serious money pits at the best of times! O.K. rant over for now.
Rather feeds into one of my pet peeves, 19 inch wheels, low profile tyres shod in only the cheapest Chinese rubber.

In some ways yes I get it big wheels are the thing even a 1.2 corsa with 17 inch 215s as standard. Good tyres in that size cost serious money but no one put a gun to your head to get the big wheels did they? Then through the huge wheels you see discs and pads in tatters and uneven wear on the tyres e.t.c. Then you realise that despite the looks and original sticker price this a car being run on beer money.

Yes everyone doesn't necessarily look into future affordability but you don't need to Nostradamus to predict these things needing at some point.
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1/ Nissan Qashqai, I have never ever seen one on the road being operated to a standard I would say the person sat behind the wheel was a driver.

2/ Audi Q and BMW X series as above but with more self-importance despite the whole SUV market compensating for impotence.

3/ BMW MINI, mediocre at best when it first came out, scrap now. "Improvements" to the MINI range that was critiqued for being far too big were to make it bigger, slower, more cumbersome and so ugly it make the Pontiac Aztec look good.

4/ Mini MPV's. Why? If you want an economical car get one, if you want to move people and things get something that doesn't bog out on hills if you are more than two up. That being said the original Suzuki Wagon was superb.

5/ Alfa Romeo 156. The 1.8 was under powered, the 2.0 neglected council estate chic, the 2.5 needed to be the Busso and the GTA was too exclusive, too expensive (and still is) and only ever front wheel drive. We had to wait for the 159 to marry the V6 with P4 drive. The 156 was a good looking car in it's day but wishbones are considered wear and tear items that you should change as often as the oil.

6/ Anything with paddle shift. Okay your car is 1.7 seconds quicker round a track than the same model with a manual. Good for you. I'm sure that comes in handy when you drive to the shops.

7/ Nissan GTR, do you know why Nissan don't call the R35 a "Skyline"? Because it isn't. Up to the R34 the Skyline was sublime the R35 is one of the most frustrating vehicles I have ever driven. "Computer says no" springs to mind. Great piece of technology, rubbish car.

8/ VW Golf. It's not so much the car. I've owned a few and they are a bit boring but okay and never really live up to the hype. It's the people who buy them. The...

"I've got a Golf because I've always had a Golf, my car before that was a Golf and the one before that was a Golf and my first car was a Polo I got from Mum and Dad because they just got a Golf. Before that they had a Golf, another Golf, another Golf and another Golf. I guess we've always had Golfs. Apart from Nan she had a Beetle".

...mentality is so disparaging it's almost Orwellian. And don't get me started on the whole "Dub Scene" thing.

9/ Mini. Real Mini, Austin, Morris, Rover Mini. I was nearly killed in one as a child, owned and loved more than a dozen since but can't afford them now. Absolutely fantastic cars when they are working but a complete total and utter nightmare to work on when they don't.

10/ Anything with more than simple drivers aids including diagnostic crap that needs to be reset after simple repairs and servicing. So that's pretty much anything post 1998
Traction control? On or off and maybe icy no more. If you need dynamic track or M modes on the road you shouldn't be on the road.
ABS? Okay I don't want to run people over either but again it should be something that's there when you need it not something you can faff about with.
Launch control? Okay if you have more bhp than you can handle but seriously if you don't know how to control your Renault Clio off a line get a bus pass.

(Sorry guys I'm in bit of a mood today and this thread topic is a nice little vent).
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10/ Anything with more than simple drivers aids including diagnostic crap that needs to be reset after simple repairs and servicing. So that's pretty much anything post 1998
Traction control? On or off and maybe icy no more. If you need dynamic track or M modes on the road you shouldn't be on the road.
ABS? Okay I don't want to run people over either but again it should be something that's there when you need it not something you can faff about with.
Launch control? Okay if you have more bhp than you can handle but seriously if you don't know how to control your Renault Clio off a line get a bus pass.

(Sorry guys I'm in bit of a mood today and this thread topic is a nice little vent).
I'm with you on multimode stuff, I do have dsc + T but it has two modes on or off. Anything more than that suggests the basic chassis needs work or your engineers aren't confident in their own decisions.

However ESP itself is another matter while it's not something you use daily or weekly I've seen enough comparisons and studies (it nearly halves the likelihood of being involved in a single vehicle accident and you are 75% less likely to roll) to think its a very good idea.

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Anything with a handbrake pedal, looking at you Mercedes. I'm sure it makes sense and is great to use if you drive it daily - just seems wholly unecessary.
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Anything with a handbrake pedal, looking at you Mercedes. I'm sure it makes sense and is great to use if you drive it daily - just seems wholly unecessary.
I'm with you on that - I had a Kia Karens hire car in Spain about 10 years ago that had one and nearly killed the family doing a hill start out of a T-junction because of the stupid thing.
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Anything with a handbrake pedal, looking at you Mercedes. I'm sure it makes sense and is great to use if you drive it daily - just seems wholly unecessary.
i don't understand how they got away with this, when i learnt to drive when you stopped in traffic you put hand brake on then released it gentle at the same time you raised clutch, how the hell you do that when they both need the same foot
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