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Do you wear a helmet?

Apparently that cyclist off the olympics Chris Boardman doesn't and isn't afraid to speak out against the subject of 'safety gear' on our roads

in a recent appearance on BBC Chris appeared without a helmet or any reflective clothing riding a bikes around the streets of manchester, to give tips and advice on cycle safety, while his co-presenter was head to toe in bright yellow and fitted with the appropriate head bumper.

This resulted in a massive backlash from 'road safety' campagners and general busy bodies who branded him A FOOL for such shenanagans, but he has now hit back and explained his reasons in this article
its all interesting stuff

Now I must admit Ive been a cyclist for years (since school days) and the only time ive ever worn a helmet was to do my cycling proficency test aged 11, since then the most protection ive had on my noggin was a bobble hat and i will explain my reasons.

I also don't won't and never have worn bright yellow or for that matter any specialist cycling clothing, almost every mile on a bicycle ive covered has been in jeans and a t-shirt. im not hard core cyclist and its always been a mode of transport to me, so I ride as im comfortable. I suppose I see lycra shorts cycling shoes and jerseys as the cycling equivelent of putting on a full motor racing fire proof suit to drive to work?

which brings me neatly back to helmets, I don't wear one of those while driving either and neither do i/would i wear a cycle helmet (including suicide missions down oxford street on a boris bike)
my reason for this is three fold, the first one being I bloody hate them, there stupid straps and bits of sticky felt they still never fit properly and wobble about uncontrolably even the expensive ones, i swear a hard hat would offer more protection. secondly there is plenty of research about that shows if you are wearing a helment although you are less likely to recieve facial injuries as well as cuts and bruises, there is a much greater increase of basal skull fractures as the helments leave this area at the back of the head/top of neck region exposed, combined with the extra volume of your head while wearing a helmet it means you're also more likely to recieve damage to your vertebre in the top of neck region (C1, C2, C3 cervical spine, and as the saying goes C3,C4,C5 keep the diaphram alive, without which you can't breath), as your soft squishy face is replaced with a hard polystyrine lip that amplifies any sudden forces placed on your head that then tranfer through your neck.
thirdly and finally there is again plenty of reasearch that suggests motorist take greater risks if they percieve you to be a 'safe cyclist', so psycologically those with helmets and high vis are less risky to pass and tend to be passed much closer than those without safety equipment.

another view of mine is that high vis doesn't really help you be seen, if you're riding with lights and flashers and these drivers still need high viz before they will see you then chances are high viz isnt going to help and they are still going to hit you.

our bright red punto driving along with lights on in snow and a driver pulled into the side of us without seeing us, i don't think a small yellow high viz waist coat will help

I suppose then what i'm saying is I kinda agree with Chris Boardman, I would rather be comfortable, have my witts about me and prefer to champion safer roads than safer riders,

if you've bothered to read this far congrats, its been a fairly long ramble, but hopefully the cyclists of the forum will have something interesting to say on the subject as well as the non cyclists
 
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All good stuff, and I loved the video from Chris Boardman's article, but why is it always about the car driver not killing the cyclist? There was a brief bit on BBC Breakfast this morning about cycling, and again it was all about the motorist's responsibilities.

As a motorist, it is my responsibility to be observant, see cyclists, and drive in a manner that allows us to share the space safely.

As a cyclist, it is their responsibility to ride in a manner that allows us to share safely. But that bit seems to have been lost. Every time a motorist encounters a cyclist and has difficulty dealing with it, his prejudice against all cyclists is increased. One cyclist riding a country lane in the dark, with no lights, no hi-vis, and not even his mandatory rear reflector (Sunday evening, near Wantage) is playing russian roulette, but somehow thinks it is my responsibility to miss him. As others encouter him, it will reinforce their anger at all cyclists. As the road was not closed later, I assume he made it alive.

Other pet hates:
Slowing before a junction, preventing the following traffic from turning left.
Inconsistent speed. Very difficult to pass safely when the speed is erratic.
I've waited patiently behind one, passed when safe, then stopped in a queue. Cyclist then passes me, to the front of the queue, so that I have to do it all again when the queue moves. I'll still get there before him. When I catch up with a cyclist, it is usually an inconvenience, as it is with any slower vehicle, but I will deal with it, passing when safe. But in the queue, when he moves to the front, ahead of all the vehicles that have recently passed him, he will have deliberately inconvenienced me. Why should I not be annoyed, as anyone would if they had been deliberately inconvenienced by another's actions, in any situation.

Best fun following a cyclist. Uphill, unbroken white line, narrow road, watching the cyclist pedal ever harder, sweat pouring off, as he struggles to maintain 11mph or more. Magic. (See highway code rule 129. https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-al...ines-and-lane-markings-on-the-road-127-to-132)
 
The cyclist is the vulnerable road user so the driver needs to take extra care around them.
As a driver I do, as a cyclist the way some people drive I would have them arrested for attempted murder.

I always wear a helmet when I commute. It literally saved my life last year.

I post photo's of my dayglow armour later.
 
Do you wear a helmet?

Apparently that cyclist off the olympics Chris Boardman doesn't and isn't afraid to speak out against the subject of 'safety gear' on our roads

in a recent appearance on BBC Chris appeared without a helmet or any reflective clothing riding a bikes around the streets of manchester, to give tips and advice on cycle safety, while his co-presenter was head to toe in bright yellow and fitted with the appropriate head bumper.

This resulted in a massive backlash from 'road safety' campagners and general busy bodies who branded him A FOOL for such shenanagans, but he has now hit back and explained his reasons in this article
its all interesting stuff

Now I must admit Ive been a cyclist for years (since school days) and the only time ive ever worn a helmet was to do my cycling proficency test aged 11, since then the most protection ive had on my noggin was a bobble hat and i will explain my reasons.

I also don't won't and never have worn bright yellow or for that matter any specialist cycling clothing, almost every mile on a bicycle ive covered has been in jeans and a t-shirt. im not hard core cyclist and its always been a mode of transport to me, so I ride as im comfortable. I suppose I see lycra shorts cycling shoes and jerseys as the cycling equivelent of putting on a full motor racing fire proof suit to drive to work?

which brings me neatly back to helmets, I don't wear one of those while driving either and neither do i/would i wear a cycle helmet (including suicide missions down oxford street on a boris bike)
my reason for this is three fold, the first one being I bloody hate them, there stupid straps and bits of sticky felt they still never fit properly and wobble about uncontrolably even the expensive ones, i swear a hard hat would offer more protection. secondly there is plenty of research about that shows if you are wearing a helment although you are less likely to recieve facial injuries as well as cuts and bruises, there is a much greater increase of basal skull fractures as the helments leave this area at the back of the head/top of neck region exposed, combined with the extra volume of your head while wearing a helmet it means you're also more likely to recieve damage to your vertebre in the top of neck region (C1, C2, C3 cervical spine, and as the saying goes C3,C4,C5 keep the diaphram alive, without which you can't breath), as your soft squishy face is replaced with a hard polystyrine lip that amplifies any sudden forces placed on your head that then tranfer through your neck.
thirdly and finally there is again plenty of reasearch that suggests motorist take greater risks if they percieve you to be a 'safe cyclist', so psycologically those with helmets and high vis are less risky to pass and tend to be passed much closer than those without safety equipment.

another view of mine is that high vis doesn't really help you be seen, if you're riding with lights and flashers and these drivers still need high viz before they will see you then chances are high viz isnt going to help and they are still going to hit you.

our bright red punto driving along with lights on in snow and a driver pulled into the side of us without seeing us, i don't think a small yellow high viz waist coat will help

I suppose then what i'm saying is I kinda agree with Chris Boardman, I would rather be comfortable, have my witts about me and prefer to champion safer roads than safer riders,

if you've bothered to read this far congrats, its been a fairly long ramble, but hopefully the cyclists of the forum will have something interesting to say on the subject as well as the non cyclists

I cycle nearly every day and cycle as part of my job.
I always wear my helmet regardless of whether im riding on or off road.
I dont wear hi viz during the day as I believe it gives the impression that cycling is dangerous. And it makes me feel as it is my responsibility to make myself visible to the motorists. It is a shared responsibility of cyclists and motorists to travel with due care and attention.

I dont wear cycle clothing because I dont need to.
I do wear a reflective sash and have good lighting when I ride in gloomy or dark conditions.
 
having driven to the edge of Oxford a "cycling city", then continue my commute by bicycle for the last 10+ years,
I must admit, it's the FEW that upset it for everyone..,ALL road users.:mad:

cyclists who ignore RED lights are pretty common, as are the local lowlife, who do a steady 15mph on whichever metalled suface has the least traffic , road to path to shop forecourt, and back onto road..,without spilling a drop of Special Brew.:doh:

the ones who always get me though are those who posses a cycle helmet but don't wear it..,
the ones in the front basket.. I've often thought of offering a couple of quid for it( as it's unused), :D
BUT the worst are the ones where the helmet is swinging around on the end of the handlebars - doing more harm than good, :shrug:

eejits.;)
 
Hi-viz clothing and helmets are classed as Personal Protection Equipment and therefore the decision to wear it is a personal one. Personally I do tend to wear a helmet and, when the weather is threatening, I also wear a cycling jacket which is yellow. The wearing of a helmet isn't designed to protect your cranium from the damage a 44 ton Scania might inflict, but more the injuries from a kerb or the trailing edge of a car's bonnet.

A neighbour of ours is a keen DIY type bloke and being of a certain age, that is not dissimilar to mine, pooh-poohed most kinds of H & S stuff. One day he had a small job to do, namely use an angle grinder type thing to cut a flagstone in half. A small chip of concrete flew up and penetrated an eye. Straight in the pupil.

It's too late now to mourn the fact that he is blind in one eye, although he did say that: "If only I'd put a pair of goggles on" still, ah well.
 
Yet you moan about high power cycle lamps that can be seen at distance :S

For some reason I remember the moan being about hi powered lights that are mounted on the riders head or aiming upwards. You know same principle as those lovely car drivers who fit badly aimed HIDs or have standard headlamps aimed it the tree tops.
 
My helmet light is a standard cateye unit, my two bar mounted lights are 1800Lmn each and I use them as high and low beams the same way as conventional headlights.
 
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