Hi
I have a 120 multijet 08 with 27000 miles when i pull off there is a judder off the engine/gearbox which seems like an engine mount has let go has anyone had this problem, is there a common engine or gearbox mount which is prone to failing i also have the clutch judder which has been well talked about on other threads but this is a new issue on me .

cheers

I always seem to get this after a particularly damp night - not rainy etc but just when the air is particularly damp - and only the first couple of times I pull away (out of drive, at end of road (1/4 mile away), at end of next road (100 yards)) and my next pull out is about a mile along the road, by this time it's fine. When it does this, I tend to spin up the revs more than I normally would & slip the clutch a little - as if this is drying the clutch off?

I get mild judder occasionally it seems to go away though, I don't worry about it. Petrol 1.4 21k miles

Hi
My judder has now gone only noticed it after the wife drove from cardiff to blackpool and back when i got in it to go to work the next day this is when i also experienced this judder but after a few miles on it around town its gone, i was told by an ex fiat fitter it was a gearbox mount had gone they are prone to go will check this out on weekend just incase there is some wear there, i have allready purchased one from ebay it came today.

even with new clutch fitted to the doblo has started juddering again after 4k

I had new clutch & flywheel fitted just after I remapped it & i still get judder at certain points. Mainly when i'm in a higher gear going slow & i put my foot down

the eternal problem.

We need a poll as to determine who doesnt get judder and why ?

There was a lot of stuff on clutch friction sticking, but the culprit appears to be these bad design flywheels, and maybe how much load you have in your doblo, what engine size. Mine is 1.9JTD pulling a light camper load.

I had my clutch and flywheel replaced only for judder to return in 6 months, a year after its always there and i have to adapt my driving style. Dont even dart out junctions just in case i cant control it. Parts not fit for purpose.

But then perhaps it is gearbox mounts. Somebody figure it out please. Otherwise this is the most reliable vehicle i ever had.

If the flywheel is the problem how about just taking the thing out, and having somebody remove all the springs and rubber bits. It should end up in two parts, then have it welded back into one piece.

Just an idea.. I am desperate, no solution (i.e. solid or alternative flywheel out there) and £900 spent for this problem to return in 6 months !

My Doblo had the clutch judder problem when I bought it and I attributed it to the driving technique of the previous owner as the problem seemed to disappear with the sort of driving I do.

However a week ago I was stuck in a traffic jam on the M25 where the traffic crawled from Maple Cross to the M4. It was 15-20 miles of driving in first and depressing the clutch as necessary. After an hour and a half of this, the judder returned with a vengeance. It was so violent that the engine threatened to stall and I couldn't use first anymore and had to pull away in second gear instead. Fortunately I reached the M4 before the clutch burnt out. The Doblo's been fine ever since but I'm still a bit nervous about this clutch.

I'm quite prepared to live with an occasional judder but has anyone had this problem get progressively worse?

PostmanPat said:

My Doblo had the clutch judder problem when I bought it and I attributed it to the driving technique of the previous owner as the problem seemed to disappear with the sort of driving I do.

However a week ago I was stuck in a traffic jam on the M25 where the traffic crawled from Maple Cross to the M4. It was 15-20 miles of driving in first and depressing the clutch as necessary. After an hour and a half of this, the judder returned with a vengeance. It was so violent that the engine threatened to stall and I couldn't use first anymore and had to pull away in second gear instead. Fortunately I reached the M4 before the clutch burnt out. The Doblo's been fine ever since but I'm still a bit nervous about this clutch.

I'm quite prepared to live with an occasional judder but has anyone had this problem get progressively worse?

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it reaches a peak were the flywheel torquing ability is destroyed and from there on you have to adapt your driving style to feather the clutch on takeoff in 1st gear and learn to work the box well when going to second.

depending on how well you can adapt to that will determine how long the clutch lasts. I have to keep the rake of the seat forwards for fine control of the clutch pedal. On takeoff rev to 1800rpm (1.9TD) and be ready to slightly declutch the flywheel to engage a takeoff. Been doing this for 4 years. I changed clutch and flywheel 2 years ago expecting it to be cured, but only lasted 8 months till it restarted. I do carry heavy loads however and have to deal with bad roads and a lot of go for it driving. Smaller engines, carrying no loads and easier driving may have less problems I suspect.


I wont bother forking 350 quid on another flywheel when I change the clutch again, as they start giving problems in a year or so, depending on how heavy your loads are and if you have the 1.9 engine. I will get a hold of a scrap one in advance and have a specialist weld it together into a solid unit.

Thanks crinklebender, I already seem to be 'nursing' the clutch and as you say revving to just under 2,000 revs on my 58 plate 1.9 JTD when starting off in first. There's still a bit of judder especially when doing an uphill start.

I'm beginning to think about trading it in for a 2011 1.6 Eleganza this summer as I don't fancy spending £900 on replacing the clutch and flywheel.

Yeah, mine (2009) does that when cold after a damp night. Same with my Punto mk2. Then it goes away. I guess those clutch systems are prone to condensation buildup. Kind of a pain though.
Cheers

Mine is an '03 and has done this on and off for years. I don't tow and seldom load the car, and I am a carful driver and have never ridden the clutch, or needed a new clutch in my life.

The mechanic told me the Diesel Stilo clutch can do this too.

Mine has done 90,000 now and I don't want the expense of replacing any more parts. So far it's mostly consumables, but maybe brake pipes soon, and other bits. The rear remote lock and rear wiper haven't worked for years.

I'm looking seriously at the new Dacia Duster which would give me 10mpg better economy, plus the remote locking and A/C that I demand, for about £11,500. Add £850 for a seven year guarantee with roadside assistance... don't know what to do?

I love my Doblo but Fiat has nothing to replace it with. The new one is too expensive and the Qubo hasn't got the right engine.

I'll certainly take a look at the Dacia.

The Doblo clutch problem is something we just have to live with it seems.