Seicento Timing tensioner help

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Seicento Timing tensioner help

Hill130775

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Hi,
I have a fiat Siecento, that I bought for my son, who's emmissions are all over the place! It seems that the timing chain tensioner has collapsed, and so the timing is out. I contacted fiat and they say the tensioner is obsolete. I don't want to scrap the car, I've spent alot of money on it and goes through the not everything (except this!) any ideas ??
 
I'm assuming that it is an 899cc ohv engine, not the 1108 ohc engine. The 1108 was still used in the last Panda and the cambelt tensioner is fairly simple and available.
The 899 has a timing chain, and the tensioner was part number 7661126. A brief search on Google found this, from a very reputable Fiat specialist supplier.
http://www.ricambio.co.uk/2926-timing-chain-tensioner-kit--fiat-cinquecento-seicento-uno

Or this: http://www.ebay.it/itm/PATTINO-DIST...T-CINQUECENTO-SEICENTO-PANDA-UNO/181878242096
 
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Thank you for your reply. Do you know for definite the eBay item would fit? Do you know if it is a big job? I'm going to tackle it myself if I can been quoted £400
 
I was hoping for a little more help than that ^^
Even as a newbie I would know I could do with a manual!

I was hoping someone here would be able to give me ideas
That doesnt come from a book!
 
Thank you for your reply. Do you know for definite the eBay item would fit? Do you know if it is a big job? I'm going to tackle it myself if I can been quoted £400

As shown in the listings, this part was common to several older models, so I'd have no worries about sourcing the one from Ebay. I would first run it through Google translate to be certain of postage costs and willingness to send to UK, before making the purchase. Unless you speak Italian of course.

Haynes did not produce a manual for the Seicento, although you might find a copy of the Fiat genuine one on CD on Ebay somewhere, but a hard copy is always easier when working on the car. As described above, get a Haynes Cinquecento manual (book 3501), and have a good read through section 9, chapter 2C before starting work. Specific things to check are torque settings, front crank pulley especially, nut sizes, and accessibility. For the cost of the manual and a bit of grovelling under the car, you'll know whether you're ready to do the job, or pay someone else.

I've not had to do any work on the ohv engine, always had the ohc engines, but from the pics it looks like a normal camchain setup, so not too difficult, as long as it is accessible.

When refitting the cover, fit all the bolts loosely, but don't tighten them. Fit the pulley onto the crank but no need to tighten the nut, then jiggle the cover a little, to ensure that the seal is centralised to the pulley, then tighten some of the bolts. You'll probably need to remove the pulley to tighten them all. This ensures the cover and seal are concentric with the pulley so avoiding leaks. You'll have fitted a new seal anyway, won't you!

I'd hope you are changing the chain and the tensioner, not just the tensioner.
 
Thank you to all who have taken the time to answer me. You people are real credit to the forum.
Portland_bill I was indeed only insinuating that I would like to replace just the tensioner. The car itself has been in the garage for over three months, the garage replacing the map sensor, Throttlebody, lambda sensor, fuel filter, and also attempting at fitting a new ECU as they couldn't diagnose the fault. The only fault the car gives is when you put your foot down on the accelerator the little injector light flickers on and off, and also the emissions is way way out. I can get one of these cars off eBay for £200, a tensioner will cost £80,a cam belt kit will cost £40, and a Haynes manual will cost £15. Do I persevere with this car? I'm hopeing to fit just a tensioner it possible, to see if this cures the fault, and also maybe that will be something that the newbie like me could tackle, after all these chains very rarely snap and are classed as not having to be changed in the cars lifetime
 
Thank you to all who have taken the time to answer me. You people are real credit to the forum.
Portland_bill I was indeed only insinuating that I would like to replace just the tensioner. The car itself has been in the garage for over three months, the garage replacing the map sensor, Throttlebody, lambda sensor, fuel filter, and also attempting at fitting a new ECU as they couldn't diagnose the fault. The only fault the car gives is when you put your foot down on the accelerator the little injector light flickers on and off, and also the emissions is way way out. I can get one of these cars off eBay for £200, a tensioner will cost £80,a cam belt kit will cost £40, and a Haynes manual will cost £15. Do I persevere with this car? I'm hopeing to fit just a tensioner it possible, to see if this cures the fault, and also maybe that will be something that the newbie like me could tackle, after all these chains very rarely snap and are classed as not having to be changed in the cars lifetime

you've confused me there..:eek:

"£40 cam belt kit.., chains last forever":confused:

are you considering buying another -but 1.1..?? :)

do let me know if you want more info from the FIAT engine manual ( 903cc)
 
I'm sorry i meant chain! No just trying to get the point across I've spent loads on this car so far to have it diagnosed, and would just like to replace the tensioner if poss!
 
... I can get one of these cars off eBay for £200, a tensioner will cost £80,a cam belt kit will cost £40, and a Haynes manual will cost £15. Do I persevere with this car? I'm hopeing to fit just a tensioner it possible, to see if this cures the fault, and also maybe that will be something that the newbie like me could tackle, after all these chains very rarely snap and are classed as not having to be changed in the cars lifetime

I think the cost is not as relevant as most think. With it 'broken', it is worth nothing, but with a bit of work it is whole again and ready to continue in service. If there is nothing else imminent, might be better the one you know than one you don't.

You are right that these chains rarely break, but yours has been running incorrectly tensioned for some time, increasing the wear to the chain. If you replace just the tensioner, you may have to do it all again soon.
The chain is only tensioned on its 'slack' side, so if the failed tensioner is causing poor running and emissions, is it because it has jumped a tooth? Whist replacing the tensioner you will need to check the chain timing. If it needs resetting, the chain and gears have to come off, so might as well replace with new. You could of course remove the chain and check its condition. A good guide is to hold it sideways and see how it bends. There should be only a slight bend, almost straight. If it curves nicely, it is well worn, or it might try to curve like the edge of a 50p piece. The chain tends to get its most wear as each valve lifts, so creating uneven wear. So if removing and refitting the same chain, mark it first to put it back exactly as it was. Or you could try to refit it exactly half-way between wear points, to 'even out' the wear, but really, a new chain is the way to go.
 
Lol, I blame the e-cigs! I'm based in Alfreton , Derbyshire if there is any experts locally who fancy a go at helping! (Paid of course!)
 
Any more input into how difficult it would be to replace just the tensioner??
 
Im not posting again..
varesecrazy sorry to sound off, but your posts have consisted of I'm comfused - to which I clarified, asking me where I am, and then stating " let me know if there is any help you need from your manual, but actually contributing nothing!
 
Deary me,

Euro car care, Derby will be your source of parts. Forget ebay. Don't know if Big Mick still works there, but mention the forum, this forum...

Download the manual from this site. Its under 'downloads'

Do not just replace the tensioner, do the chain and sprockets too.

This engine is Fiat's version of a BL A series, not difficult to do.

Cheers

D
 
Any more input into how difficult it would be to replace just the tensioner??

There do not seem to be any contributors who have actually, or perhaps recently done this job. However, being a 'standard' ohv engine, the task is quite straightforward. As already suggested, get a manual, read the section, then go look at the car and read the section again. You will then have a very good idea about ease and accessibility. I don't think anyone can do more for you than that.

You said in an earlier post that the garage has had the car for some time. If they have diagnosed tensioner, have they removed the timing cover to check, and if so, is it still off, or just replaced to keep dirt out? If so, why not get them to finish the job, as most of the work is done.

To replace just the tensioner, you still have to get access by removing the pulley and cover. Once at that point, replacing the chain and sprockets is little extra work. Replacing just the tensioner is a false economy and likely to bite back with a failed chain later.
 
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