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Technical induction kits worth it on brava 1.8?

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Technical induction kits worth it on brava 1.8?

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have a brava elx 1.8 and was wondering if the induction kits are worth fitting to it?

on my old vectra they were only worth fitting to the more powerful v6 engine. anything less just sounded like a tractor with no extra performance gain.
 
if you be realistic you dont fit it for a performance gain. if you're expecting a noticable improvment you'll be dissappointed, but it does give a nice induction roar noise, which is the whole point. :)

any modern car will not have a restrictive standard air box, but to ensure fuel economy slight restrictions are needed. fitting an induction kit will give small gains because restricitons can be reduced, however these gains will not be noticable unless the stock air box has been badly designed. few cars suffer from a badly designed stock air box, even italian ones.
 
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good point. i know there is no bhp gain, but thought cars "pull" a bit better with them.

panel filter it is then :)
 
thurstan said:
good point. i know there is no bhp gain, but thought cars "pull" a bit better with them.

panel filter it is then :)
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If there is no bhp gain, why do we have on the RR with the Stilo 1.6 over 12bhp more peak power, with Punto/Stilo/Barchetta 1.8 10.0bhp more peak power, with the Stilo 2.4 iclusive of mapping in excess of 30bhp more peak power, with the 1.4 FIRE 6.5bhp and over 15lb ft peak improvement to mention only a few?
 
unless you stick a car on a rolling road and do a before and after test, you wont know for sure.

I saw a test in magazine that did this with a ford escort. they had standard airbox, airbox with holes drilled into it and an induction kit.

the winner? airbox with holes in. by about 0.1% increase or something!
 
thurstan said:
unless you stick a car on a rolling road and do a before and after test, you wont know for sure.

I saw a test in magazine that did this with a ford escort. they had standard airbox, airbox with holes drilled into it and an induction kit.

the winner? airbox with holes in. by about 0.1% increase or something!
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This is why I spend during a years time a couple hundred hours on 4 different RRs.
 
sorry , misunderstood yer!

guess some engines get more from them or certain air boxes are too restrictive.
 
thurstan said:
sorry , misunderstood yer!

guess some engines get more from them or certain air boxes are too restrictive.
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They seem to get worse by the day in these days. Alfa ones and Fiat ones aren't the worst although they aren't the best either.

The leader of the pack when it comes to poor intake design is the latest Fiesta ST.
 
forgive my continued scepticism, but i think its always wise to doubt a sales pitch, especially when the claims are so optimistic.

as much as i'd love to believe your figures, getting a more than 10% bhp peak gain on a 1.6 stilo is like me claiming i can walk on water. i really want to believe you, but a claim like that is ebay resistor 'chip' territory. an induction kit alone can not give a 10% power gain. if you really can do it then you know something that the rest of the world does not.

it is easy to show a gain of a few bhp on a RR without even fitting a filter or indeed anything at all. you can easily fiddle the figures to show a gain. i'm not suggesting you do, i'm simply pointing out that you can, so it would be foolish to accept your own RR figures. you're hardly independant or unbiased, quite the contrary you're a salesman. i've never seen an independant proven gain from a GSR kit.

plus my research has taught me that you stick a whopping great fan in front of the car to increase air pressure once the gsr kit is fitted, but you dont have the fan there for the before session. :chin:

please do something to prove me wrong, if you can i'll probably buy a kit off you, but until then i put your claims in the same category as ecotek filters and ebay resistors. yes i'm overly sceptical, but the 'bolt on' market is littered with false claims and as far as evidence goes you've got nothing that can be called independant, unbiased, accurate and indisputable.
 
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forgive my continued scepticism, but i think its always wise to doubt a sales pitch, especially when the claims are so optimistic.

as much as i'd love to believe your figures, getting a more than 10% bhp peak gain on a 1.6 stilo is like me claiming i can walk on water. i really want to believe you, but a claim like that is ebay resistor 'chip' territory. an induction kit alone can not give a 10% power gain. if you really can do it then you know something that the rest of the world does not.

it is easy to show a gain of a few bhp on a RR without even fitting a filter or indeed anything at all. you can easily fiddle the figures to show a gain. i'm not suggesting you do, i'm simply pointing out that you can, so it would be foolish to accept your own RR figures. you're hardly independant or unbiased, quite the contrary you're a salesman. i've never seen an independant proven gain from a GSR kit.

plus my research has taught me that you stick a whopping great fan in front of the car to increase air pressure once the gsr kit is fitted, but you dont have the fan there for the before session. :chin:

please do something to prove me wrong, if you can i'll probably buy a kit off you, but until then i put your claims in the same category as ecotek filters and ebay resistors. yes i'm overly sceptical, but the 'bolt on' market is littered with false claims and as far as evidence goes you've got nothing that can be called independant, unbiased, accurate and indisputable.
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I have no problems with doubting people my efforts without seeing proof. After all you haven't seen my work and you don't know me.

You are quite right that I am in a way a salesman. I obviously have to make my living in some way. To be biased is in the human nature.

One thing I do not understand where this fan business comes from. When working on a RR it is essential to run the cars ALWAYS with a fan in front as in an enclosed environment you risk otherwise serious damage.

Also I offer everyone to get a full money back guarantee if they are not satisfied with the results of the induction kit.

The proof obviously lies in the results. I am happily meeting you with 2 cars of your choice at Santa Pod, where both of them do several runs (hopefully 10) without the induction. Then take the best result from that and fit to one of them the induction and do with each them several runs. Take the best result from the car without the induction and the worst result from the one with induction. I pay for the expenses. If the results aren't there you can offically call me a liar. If you have alternatively a better idea I am happy to go along with it as long as it is possible to be done.

And you can come along at any given time to a RR session and see what we are doing.

I can't do better than this.
 
i had a K&N on my old HLX and it made a lovely roar, no noticable difference in pick up only sound, try searching ebay for a second hand one as this will be the cheapest option
 
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