Arty62
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Hi to all, brand new here. I have a 1999 1.9td (1905cc) fiat ducato 10 MWB. I have been trying, with no success, to source a gear lever mechanism. Does anyone have any advice as to where I may find the part, please.
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What's wrong with the original ? .
Arty62
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Thanks for replying. It's very difficult to put it in first gear, have to really push it in. Ii have tried double clutching.
Have you tried going into second gear first and then first gear, it may be a clutch disengagement issue rather than gear linkage possibly.
Arty62
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Yes tried that, sometimes it's easier sometimes the same. My main issue is sourcing the parts.
Have you tried adjusting the cable . I can't really explain how to actually do this , as i never have . However my van is also down for a new cable itself , but the downside is it's 2.8 , year 2000 . Being honest , your chances of finding a new unit are slim at best , so you may be forced to overhaul what you already have . Sorry i don't mean to be a downer , but it's the truth .
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Arty62
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Yes I think it's looking that way, but I still can't get hold of the repair kits for the gear lever mechanism or the cable. Thanks for your advice.
Yeah i'm afraid you may have to think outside the box with a vehicle of this age . Parts are at best difficult to source , one of my recent jobs included parts from as far away as Poland and Italy . Ebay is a good place to start , but be aware you're looking for components , not assembled units . Venier gauges , and micrometres may need to be used to source raw parts like shims , and bushes . Bearings are usually not too bad , but you may need a specialist supplier . The way i look at it is , if it has been assembled , it can be taken apart , and so any repair is possible . I recently had to do work on what is an aluminium part which involved welding . Alley is difficult stuff to weld , as it has a low melting point , make even worse by the very fact , i can't weld ! .
I can however braze , and that's what i did . Trouble is , i learnt it at school , what summit like 46 years ago , and have not used it since . I successful completed the repair , and have even made a new bracket with the stuff in to the bargain .
As for the cable , try looking on the coastal motorhome web site . I've had a lot of gear from them , but don't forget i've got a 2.8 , not a 1.9 . Don't be afraid to call them either . They are really helpful guys for finding parts , but not as helpful as Brownhills in Newark . If the guy there can get the part , he gives me the part number , so i can do an extensive search on the net .
And don't restrict yourself to just Ducato either . I know i shouldn't say this here on a Fiat forum , but the duke was also built by Citroen , and Peugeot under licence as the Relay , and i think the Traffic . I'd have to check to give exact models . Basically it's what's called badged engineering . The trim maybe different , but underneath , mechanically it's a Ducato . Very few engine parts were changed , though i believe Peugeot did fit a different fuel system . Food for though perhaps .
Okay quicky here , the second generation Ducato , was also built under licence by Citroen as the Jumper , and Peugeot as the Boxer . But if your van is anything like mine , some first generation parts also fit , so you could look at the Citroen C25 , Peugeot J5 (there was a series 2 by the same name) , and the Talbot Express . I would be careful with post 2001 , as the Duke had a facelift at this time , and in my case became electronic , ie a jtd . This by enlarge mean't a fuel system change , and heavy use of electronic parts such as sensors , and ecu . But some parts did remain the same , and by some i would guess cables could be among them . I would exercise extreme caution here , but it maybe worth a look .
As i said , think outside the box !!
As i said , think outside the box !!
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Arty62
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Thanks again. I have been looking for parts for mine and the Peugeot and the Citroën. I have been in touch with fiat in Italy, and fiat uk, but they have not got back to me, I've been trying to get the correct part numbers, I think it would make sourcing the parts much easier.
Yeah , well i'm afraid i wouldn't place too much hope with Italy . I tried to order some specific parts for mine , only a couple of crush seals , on Ebay . The parts cost something like 50 quid in total , including postage . And they were so small they could have been posted , yet they cancelled the order within hours , with the excuse they don't ship to the UK . They lead me to believe this was due to Brexit ! .
They're loss , i eventually sourced them in this country for a quid . Though they were slightly under size , they still sealed the leak . I just had to spend time finding them , and not on line either .
Another option you could look at , is vehicle breakers , some of them offer a guarantee . Look online including Ebay , and see if someone is breaking your specific van . You don't mention if this is a camper , or whatever , ignore the conversion . Go for the base vehicle .
Take a look at this site , they are listing a few bits on the first and second page . There's also another selector further on , page 6/7 , but i don't know what your looking for . If you've not had a look , take one :
And take a look at this one too ;
Interestingly , this part also fits the 2.8 , maybe another avenue to explore perhaps .
And take a very careful look at this one too . A very careful look ;
In fact take a look at this lot , see if there's anything for you're van ;
And take a look at this one too ;
REPAIR KIT GEAR LEVER SELECTOR GEARBOX SOCKET BUSH FOR FIAT DUCATO 2 2.0 2.3 2.8 | eBay
FIAT DUCATO II / FIORINO III. - FIAT DUCATO II (2001-2017). GEAR SELECTOR REPAIR KIT - BUSHING FOR - GEAR SELECTOR BUSHING. - FIAT FIORINO III / QUBO (2008-2020). If your gear stick is too loose or you have difficulties in shifting into reverse (R).
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Interestingly , this part also fits the 2.8 , maybe another avenue to explore perhaps .
And take a very careful look at this one too . A very careful look ;
5-Gear Control Lever Mechanism LHD For Citroën Relay Peugeot Boxer Fiat Ducato | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 5-Gear Control Lever Mechanism LHD For Citroën Relay Peugeot Boxer Fiat Ducato at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.
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In fact take a look at this lot , see if there's anything for you're van ;
fiat ducato 1.9 td gearbox for sale | eBay
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Trying to save you some pain...
The gear lever you move with your hand is very unlikely to be the problem.
Check nothing is obstructing the mechanism on top of the gearbox
Check the cables
Check gearbox oil level
If those all ok then likely cause is clutch not releasing fully.
The gear lever you move with your hand is very unlikely to be the problem.
Check nothing is obstructing the mechanism on top of the gearbox
Check the cables
Check gearbox oil level
If those all ok then likely cause is clutch not releasing fully.
Arty62
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Thanks
Arty62
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Would the clutch not releasing properly only effect 1st gear? What is the fix for this issue?
If the cable/linkages at the gearbox end are seizing this can affect gear selection up/down and side to side. However, if this is not affecting other selections, cable adjustment is not issue…same principle on on all the cable gearboxes as I did the same with a panda, this was due to a baulk ring
Arty62
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Thank you all for your replies. Airwave thanks for the link. I have just emailed the seller to make sure it's the correct repair kit.
