Technical Which Oil? Abarth 2.4

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Technical Which Oil? Abarth 2.4

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Which oil would you recommend, the person I purchased the car from was recommended mobile 1 new life 0w-40, and that's what's been running in the car whilst in his ownership.

But would you continue to use this oil? As it needs topping up tomorrow.
 
I highly recommend 10w60 castrol edge. I did have 5w30 in my engine but with the 10w60 the engine is much smoother and oil consumption has dropped dramatically.(y)

(original oil specification was 10w40 from fiat i believe, 0w40 seems too thin for me)
 
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You'll get about as many different answers to this as there are replies: everyone is an 'expert' on what oil to choose!

LONG ANSWER:
There's a long-running debate about Selenia 20k (10W40) versus Selenia Racing (10W60). The higher (hot) viscosity of the 10W60 is intended to provide more protection under extreme driving, where oil temperatures might conceivably exceed 115 deg.C for extended periods. In reality, such temperatures are hardly ever attained.

The truth is that these engines, like most high capacity motors, contaminate their oil relatively quickly (with combustion products and fuel dilution)so the best thing you can do to preserve your engine is simply to change the oil more frequently: I change mine every 3000 miles, which some will say is 'over the top', but my engine is spotlessly clean internally, runs perfectly, and uses virtually no oil between changes. Strangely, manufacturers tend to specify the same oil change interval on an entire range of cars - from the smallest engined to the largest.

For what it's worth, I use Redline 10W40 which is a fully synthetic polyol ester. These have a higher film strength and much better high temperature stability than polyalphaolefin synthetics like Mobil 1, although both types of oil are fine in road-going cars like ours: Because of the temperatures encountered, F1 engines use polyol esters, and so do the bearings in jet engines! Of course, polyol ester oils are expensive, and ester oil manufacturers say that you shouldn't use these oils for running-in/breaking-in a new engine, because they are too slippery.

There are many 'synthetic blend' motor oils, and the trouble is you don't always know what you're getting, or how they're formulated. The mineral (i.e. non-synthetic) components of these oils are likely to oxidise at a lower temperature, so synthetic/mineral blends might not necessarily offer better temperature stability, although they probably do have higher lubricity in normal driving conditions.

SHORT ANSWER:
Use a quality synthetic 10W40 oil, and change it often.


But what do I know? Many answers from other experts will follow.... :)
 
Which oil would you recommend, the person I purchased the car from was recommended mobile 1 new life 0w-40, and that's what's been running in the car whilst in his ownership.

But would you continue to use this oil? As it needs topping up tomorrow.

Yes! Mobil 1 0W-40 is what I've used in the Schumi from day one. I've used it in various cars for over 40 years of motoring and never had an internal engine issue. I change (with filter) every 6K.
 
Some great advice, I spent hours searching old posts last night, is it true mobile 1 new life 0w-40 is better in the winter?
 
Well took everything onboard and went for the mobile 1 new life, only had the car a few week now, and glad i bought some, I know dip stick can be hit and miss but was always coming out about min mark. So 1 litre added and looks good on dip stick now :)

Question is will this stop the message I got yesterday that promoted me to buy and check the oil "oil pressure low stop engine" did when I went to collect the wife last night from work, stopped car at her work and went inside came out statued perfect no message, but then did again today when i went for the oil. Seems to pop on when been sat a good few hours.
 
Yes maybe I need to make that more clear, when I got the message, I instantly shut the car off, waited 1 min and started no message nothing, so then went to pick her up. I thought if it said it again then I would leave it parked. But was OK

Do you know what "stop engine" means....???
 
OK, clear.
The ECU did detect a major problem, hence the warning to shut off the engine...
Anyway, 1 liter is a large amount of oil to top of, although some of the 5 cilinder engines are notorious for burning oil, so keep an eye on that.
I see no reason to change the oil that the original owner did use, unless the engine does consume large amounts of oil, in that case it may be an option to change to another, well known brand.
(I'm a huge Castrol oil fan...).
 
Thanks Peter, I heard min too max is about a litre did 500ml first then 2 X 250ml to make sure not to overfull and damage the engine. It's now sitting happily on max, but I know the dip stick readings can be hit and miss, and happy to say just started the car up after sitting in the cold good few hours and no error message :) but I'll keep a close eye on it, very keen to look after cars and keep the older cars running :)
 
I highly recommend 10w60 castrol edge. I did have 5w30 in my engine but with the 10w60 the engine is much smoother and oil consumption has dropped dramatically.(y)

If you have excessive oil consumption, replace the PCV valve instead (if it's not out of production). Part# 71714786

Most 10W60 are way too thick this time of year. Fiat recommends Selenia K 5W-40 for the 1.8 16V, which sounds about right unless you plan to run at high rpm for a prolonged period of time.
 
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If you have excessive oil consumption, replace the PCV valve instead (if it's not out of production). Part# 71714786

Most 10W60 are way too thick this time of year. Fiat recommends Selenia K 5W-40 for the 1.8 16V, which sounds about right unless you plan to run at high rpm for a prolonged period of time.

i'm staying with the 10W60 Castrol Edge ;)
I've had multiple oil brands and multiple members of our dutch Fiat Stilo club are running the same oil with full confidence. Engine just seems smoother with less noise and less oil consumption. As we all know the 2.4 Abarth likes to drink some oil, and with 5w30 i had way more oil consumption.

But every country and climate is different, so it is just an opinion;)
 
The Fiat 5-cyl and Alfa TwinSpark have an issue with the plastic PCV valve, with a new one they hardly consume any oil. The early engines with aluminum intake manifold didn't consume any oil either, nor do the Alfa V6 which have an oil catch can instead.

However, both valves are out of stock at Fiat and so I, too, run 10W-60 and never had a problem. The fuel mileage is terrible compared to 5W-40 in the winter, though.

Not sure about your Portuguese language skills, but:
 
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Interesting. Do you have the FIAT part number for the PCV valve(s)?

Just been to my local FIAT dealer and answered my own question. Not good. The PCV valve for the 2.4 engine is 'no longer available'. We must be hitting the '10-year rule' where FIAT no longer supples slow moving parts for the Stilo. Sad day.
 
PCV partnr = 71714786 for the 2.4. Over here in the Netherlands we still can order them, so maybe you can try another Fiat parts supplier or just through ebay or something.

On the other hand; when you order that partnr you'll get exactly the same valve, so no uprated one or other size. (just checked my old valve and my valve which i ordered last year and they don't differ)

So if there is a uprated one, it must have another partnr.

Another thing; when blow or suck through the PCV tube to the intake manifold it seems to have a pretty good shut off, but you can clearly see that there is some oil in there.:confused:
 
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