i think he means it thins out more ( less viscous ) however, its only "obviously better" if it was designed for it? and only since being a member on here, i have found out that there are like, 3 different types of oil to use? so the big question is?...... which is the correct type? (10w60 seems to be the way to go though?)

contary to an earlier post the 2.4 is as normal and conventional an engine as any other non-turbo fuel injected petrol unit and so using 10w40 is'nt as crazy as its been made out to be? especially when there own manual is telling you to use it?

Just for reference on the topic

"Viscosity and Viscosity Index (VI).

gadgemyster said:

i think he means it thins out more ( less viscous ) however, its only "obviously better" if it was designed for it? and only since being a member on here, i have found out that there are like, 3 different types of oil to use? so the big question is?...... which is the correct type? (10w60 seems to be the way to go though?)

contary to an earlier post the 2.4 is as normal and conventional an engine as any other non-turbo fuel injected petrol unit and so using 10w40 is'nt as crazy as its been made out to be? especially when there own manual is telling you to use it?

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At the risk of sounding like a record stuck in the groove (for those of you who remember vinyl!) stick to 0W-40 fully synthetic and you won't go wrong.

Yellow Peril said:

At the risk of sounding like a record stuck in the groove (for those of you who remember vinyl!) stick to 0W-40 fully synthetic and you won't go wrong.

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i remember vinyl when it was stuck to the roofs of cars phil!!

I think the best thing is to do what you want and feel happy with so I will stick with my oil and those of you who prefer chip pan oil crack on. it will make you car smell like a Nissan Micra :yuck:

famtoman said:

I think the best thing is to do what you want and feel happy with so I will stick with my oil and those of you who prefer chip pan oil crack on. it will make you car smell like a Nissan Micra :yuck:

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Have you upgraded any parts on your schumey?

I have not done any thing to the Schumacher it is used every day for work and I find it has every thing I require for the motorway driving I do, pulls away at 70plus and still confuses plenty as it just looks like a big red Fiat with no get up and go until Mr BMW driver sat on my bumper finds he cannot out drag me at 70mph and is left red faced one because his car is junk and secondly because he has been made to look the prune he is.
I find it a nice relaxing car for trips back up country and averages 31mpg at around motorway speeds so I am happy and I get out relaxed unlike some cars I have been in.

famtoman said:

I have not done any thing to the Schumacher it is used every day for work and I find it has every thing I require for the motorway driving I do, pulls away at 70plus and still confuses plenty as it just looks like a big red Fiat with no get up and go until Mr BMW driver sat on my bumper finds he cannot out drag me at 70mph and is left red faced one because his car is junk and secondly because he has been made to look the prune he is.
I find it a nice relaxing car for trips back up country and averages 31mpg at around motorway speeds so I am happy and I get out relaxed unlike some cars I have been in.

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Same as, the only thing I had fitted is a custom made stainless steel exhaust system which allows the car to have more grunt, please dont get me wrong I have not fitted a "boy racer" noise box, it was custom made to my specific liking, the car before in my opinion, unless you opened the throttle it sounded like a flaming Hybrid at times It simply now has a more open vocal reaction to the engine instead of being so dam silent and restricted

BLKC99 said:

Same as, the only thing I had fitted is a custom made stainless steel exhaust system which allows the car to have more grunt, please dont get me wrong I have not fitted a "boy racer" noise box, it was custom made to my specific liking, the car before in my opinion, unless you opened the throttle it sounded like a flaming Hybrid at times It simply now has a more open vocal reaction to the engine instead of being so dam silent and restricted

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thats next on my wish list for next year? not loud but just abit sportier, maybe have that second cat removed ..... its a lovely sounding engine to be silenced

famtoman said:

I think the best thing is to do what you want and feel happy with so I will stick with my oil and those of you who prefer chip pan oil crack on. it will make you car smell like a Nissan Micra :yuck:

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yeah i'll do that......

neonglow said:

Read through this thread and I only want to say that the Selenia Racing isn't a fully synthetic PAO oil it also has quite poor viscosity index, TBN and HTHS figures. According to specifications the best oil out there is Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 and Mobil 1 5W50......

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I do not fully agree with what you have just stated there

The Selenia 10w60 engine oil in comparison with some of Mobil1 engine oil grades such as the New life 0w40, it may not have a higher viscosity index grade or a higher total base number but it is still a fully synthetic oil grade and is also a much better oil to run than the manufacturers recommended 10w40 oil grade as I found out for myself

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In your cold climate I would never use such thick oil (10W60); this engine does not need an oil that thick, just take a glass of 0W40 and a glass full of 10W60 put in the freezer and see what happens If you still wanna use Selenia - then pick the Selenia K 5W40 (not the K.P.E cause it's a LOW SAPS crap). Each engine oil comes with its technical specifications the only way to compare different oils is to open your car's manual see what viscosity is required and then always stick to the number after the W letter and then compare oils in that viscosity range. The lower the number before the W letter - the better for the engine at cold starts and dry friction in the first couple of seconds. Please bear at mind that 90% of engine wear occurs during startups.

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The comments and opinions given in this thread have not been randomly posted for the sake of posting, if you actually search through the Forum and read the numerous posts, threads, discussions and many more queries which have been highlighted over the years in the Forum involving the ever so frequent " Abarth oil burning issues" then you can understand where some of the research came from, and also the 10w60 oil grade is not a too thick on an oil to run in this engine, that is absolute crap , honestly even with the cold winter temperatures that the UK experiences......

In the higher northern parts of the United Kingdom where some severe minus (-) temperatures may be experienced, yes as previously stated already in this thread a thinner oil with a lower cold starting viscosity rating would have to used in order to ensure that the engine will turn over in the morning with an easier, thinner flow of oil at lower cold starting temperatures..............

ahhhhh i'm well confused now?? so is it better to have a thicker oil at operating temp or thin?

A moderate thick oil with a high viscosity index is whats considered best for an engine at normal running temperatures, again the specific grades of oil all depend on various factors mate such as climate, engine type, what use the car has and so on.

Thicker oils have a higher viscosity index, an oil with a high viscosity index grade performs better at higher operating temperatures, the thicker the oil remains once the car runs at operating temperatures the better performance and protection its provides to an engine, what multigrade oils provide today is an oil that behaves as thin as its specified _w grade/weight when cold but also keeps to the specified w_ thick/weight when normal engine temperatures are reached.

I think we Schumacher drivers should leave those who have a Stilo SW on as a profile sit in the corner putting oil in the fridge as a hobby to their own devices, as I said before before some of those ...yawn people woke up, use the oil of your choice as everyone has their own ideas about every thing oil, spark plugs and even tyres, so lets annoy someone I use Pirelli as I find them to grip well and hold the road but they only last 24-30,000 miles, I fitted Pirelli to my Cinquecento Sporting and again they lasted 24-30,000 miles some people only got 8,000 miles so they classed the tyres as rubbish ... no they miss treated the tyres.
Such is life no doubt a complain or whine is in bound this very second have fun, Im off as I have a life ha ha

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I think we Schumacher drivers should leave those who have a Stilo SW on as a profile sit in the corner putting oil in the fridge as a hobby to their own devices

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:yeahthat:

BLKC99 said:

I do not fully agree with what you have just stated there

The Selenia 10w60 engine oil in comparison with some of Mobil1 engine oil grades such as the New life 0w40, it may not have a higher viscosity index grade or a higher total base number but it is still a fully synthetic oil grade and is also a much better oil to run than the manufacturers recommended 10w40 oil grade as I found out for myself

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The Selenia Racing 10W60 is nothing more than a Selenia 20K with added viscosity modifiers and still uses same base stocks and has the same Viscosity Index and High Tear High Shear figures. The manual on the Selenia Racing says that it can be used as a substitude for the Selenia 20K. Viscosity Index shows how much the actual viscosity of the oil changes with temperature increase.

neonglow is true!
one thing is viscosity index: 10W40 or 10W60
a the second thing is "quality" index represented by ACEA system or API.
There can be bought high quality oils with API SL (ACEA A3/B3..)
Be aware of new "green" oils API SM (ACEA C3)!

For Stilo Abarth is recommended oil with wider range of viskosity (10W50, 10W60), because there is a assumption of higher oil temperatures - like in sports cars.
But in cetral Europe is better use 5W-50 because of very low outside temperature in winter (when you use the car in winter).

famtoman said:

I think we Schumacher drivers should leave those who have a Stilo SW on as a profile sit in the corner putting oil in the fridge as a hobby to their own devices, as I said before before some of those ...yawn people woke up, use the oil of your choice as everyone has their own ideas about every thing oil, spark plugs and even tyres, so lets annoy someone I use Pirelli as I find them to grip well and hold the road but they only last 24-30,000 miles, I fitted Pirelli to my Cinquecento Sporting and again they lasted 24-30,000 miles some people only got 8,000 miles so they classed the tyres as rubbish ... no they miss treated the tyres.
Such is life no doubt a complain or whine is in bound this very second have fun, Im off as I have a life ha ha

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WOW...................... anyway, one term that seems to crop up is "fully sythetic", this i take it is the one thing that the oil must be for this engine? regardless of spec?
going on what i've read on here and in other threads, for this counrty (the uk) and 70000 miles (just over 100 kil) mobil ones new life seems a good choice to dump in my engine?

hanzs said:

For Stilo Abarth is recommended oil with wider range of viskosity (10W50, 10W60), because there is a assumption of higher oil temperatures - like in sports cars.

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but the high end number is based upon the same temp not different temperatures.

I have limited access to the Selenia 10w60 oil technical information but which ever way I am not going to contrast any more opinions further, I hear your words, maybe the Selenia is not the best multigrade out there...which ever way I wont be changing the oil what ever the comments or arguments are brought up The Selenia 10w60 will do me just fine, my cars purrs and loves the juicy stuff :yum: so its also not complaining about its new supplements that it has

For you guys that keep on suggesting that people in the UK need to accommodate their cars with a lower _w oil viscosity for winter temperatures, in central Europe and many other far eastern European countries you guys may experience severe temperatures below -20 °C, sure you guys will need to accommodate it for those temperatures but in most parts of the UK, you will never experience those kind of tempreatures.....