jasper
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Also ditto on my 1.6 they replaced the occupant sensor and on a seperate occasion the wiring loom - eventually it stayed fixed...
Technical Airbag Failure Warning Light
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Technical Airbag Failure Warning Light
i have had mine a month now it is a 53 reg (jan 2004) and it has happened twice I rung my dealer up (derby) and he said it could be a bigger job or a peice of **** job
It was in the end a wiring loom underneath the drivers seat (load sensor) and if you nunged it, it would go on or off but would correct it if it was on
Hope this helps people
J
It was in the end a wiring loom underneath the drivers seat (load sensor) and if you nunged it, it would go on or off but would correct it if it was on
Hope this helps people
J
James M
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Firstly, airbags are a 'fail safe' system, which means if they fail, they will be deactivated and hence can't operate.
I've had this problem a couple of times, first time a fiddle under the seat sorted, but second time the dealer need to clear the fault.
I've had this problem a couple of times, first time a fiddle under the seat sorted, but second time the dealer need to clear the fault.
James M
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StiloJoe said:
No not at all, and no it hasn't returned, but it can't be garanteed you will be as lucky.
The recurring faults are half the fun with these cars
pjp
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It doesn't just detect if a passenger is there, it deploys the airbag at different speeds depending on how heavy they are!
Paul
Mike Norton said:
It doesn't just detect if a passenger is there, it deploys the airbag at different speeds depending on how heavy they are!
Paul
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To cure the problem,the seat sensor needs changing.This is a known problem to fiat.They told you they "TWEEKED" the sensor nonsense they cant do this,only cure is to replace it.Run your hand over the seat you will feel the sensor it will be rough in places.
To cure the problem,the seat sensor needs changing.This is a known problem to fiat.They told you they "TWEEKED" the sensor nonsense they cant do this,only cure is to replace it.Run your hand over the seat you will feel the sensor it will be rough in places.
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I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the orange connector for the passenger seat sensor (completely disconnect) easy to check as it pulls out on its housing from under seat. I reconnected the connector and then used a cable tie to keep connector from coming unconnected - touch wood no more probs. I did read somewhere (I think on this site) that there is a problem with the connectors (cheap or something) which means they do come disconnected quite easily, usually the passenger side as that seat is moved more frequently. However Fiat are unable to issue a mod. due legal implications if they were to modify the wiring loom for safety devices such as air bags. ie: legal liabilty should there mod. not work in the event of an accident.
I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the orange connector for the passenger seat sensor (completely disconnect) easy to check as it pulls out on its housing from under seat. I reconnected the connector and then used a cable tie to keep connector from coming unconnected - touch wood no more probs. I did read somewhere (I think on this site) that there is a problem with the connectors (cheap or something) which means they do come disconnected quite easily, usually the passenger side as that seat is moved more frequently. However Fiat are unable to issue a mod. due legal implications if they were to modify the wiring loom for safety devices such as air bags. ie: legal liabilty should there mod. not work in the event of an accident.
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Its more than likely the connector under the seat all the time, i know loads of people that have taken there cars back to dealerships when they've had problems like that (and thats for all makes of cars) Im sure it gets knocked when you move your seat, which in the case of a 3 door is quite often if people get in and out of the back
Its more than likely the connector under the seat all the time, i know loads of people that have taken there cars back to dealerships when they've had problems like that (and thats for all makes of cars) Im sure it gets knocked when you move your seat, which in the case of a 3 door is quite often if people get in and out of the back
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it could be the passenger seat sensor,built into the seat base,which needs replacing,or the multiplugs under the seat-try noting the wiring colours in the multiplugs before strippng out the female connectors and squeezing them to make a tighter connection and replace them back in the multiplug and cable tying them to the plastic mount to stop any undue strain on them .ok gl.-do this proceedure with the ignition off!p.s.you may have to take to fiat dealer for them to turn off the warning light if it is on
it could be the passenger seat sensor,built into the seat base,which needs replacing,or the multiplugs under the seat-try noting the wiring colours in the multiplugs before strippng out the female connectors and squeezing them to make a tighter connection and replace them back in the multiplug and cable tying them to the plastic mount to stop any undue strain on them .ok gl.-do this proceedure with the ignition off!p.s.you may have to take to fiat dealer for them to turn off the warning light if it is on
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Had same prob but mine was on the drivers side its when i move the front seat for the passenger to get in it can knock the wiring loom under the seatcb0173 said:
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Re: Airbag Warning Light
We had this lot when our car was new and every time the sensor had to be replaced, We eventually narrowed it down to two things, these sensors are electronic because they are supposed to sense the mass of the person in the seat and calculate wether the airbag should be deployed full or half.
They can be damaged by placing an active mobile phone on the seat, or strangly enough if you use a certain type of aerosol in the car, my wifes armani perfume drives it nuts.
vyore said:
We had this lot when our car was new and every time the sensor had to be replaced, We eventually narrowed it down to two things, these sensors are electronic because they are supposed to sense the mass of the person in the seat and calculate wether the airbag should be deployed full or half.
They can be damaged by placing an active mobile phone on the seat, or strangly enough if you use a certain type of aerosol in the car, my wifes armani perfume drives it nuts.
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Its just a long copper strip shaped into the padding with about 3 pressure sensors,no electronics & certainley cant be adjusted in anyway! The switches simply break & whole seat base (foam) has to be renewed.
Its just a long copper strip shaped into the padding with about 3 pressure sensors,no electronics & certainley cant be adjusted in anyway! The switches simply break & whole seat base (foam) has to be renewed.
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I had this prob after I was moving the seats forward to put stuff in the back. Apparantly there is a sensor in the front seats and the cables can come loose. It was just plugged back in by the dealership.
I had this prob after I was moving the seats forward to put stuff in the back. Apparantly there is a sensor in the front seats and the cables can come loose. It was just plugged back in by the dealership.
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same problem here, the conector under the passenger seat (the white one), after taking to dealer about three times i just cut out the connector and replaced it with an elecrical connector block. no problems since.
same problem here, the conector under the passenger seat (the white one), after taking to dealer about three times i just cut out the connector and replaced it with an elecrical connector block. no problems since.
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Our Stilo Active has come up with an airbag warning.
This was fixed by the local dealer, by fitting a new connector.
That was a couple of weeks go, now the warning has reappeared.
Apparently there are a number of connectors that may cause a problem.
Wonder how much they will charge to 'fix' it this time round?
Should this sort of problem be covered by 3rd year warranty?
Our Stilo Active has come up with an airbag warning.
This was fixed by the local dealer, by fitting a new connector.
That was a couple of weeks go, now the warning has reappeared.
Apparently there are a number of connectors that may cause a problem.
Wonder how much they will charge to 'fix' it this time round?
Should this sort of problem be covered by 3rd year warranty?
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Soldering! cutting airbag wiring! some of you are risking your & other passengers lives by doing this.NO manufacturer endorses this kind of practise & would insist on a new loom being fitted if this was ever done at a dealership.
Go back to dealer,explain this fault keeps re-occuring and a discount would be a kind gesture & would keep you using the dealership.After all £30-40 to fix airbag system....you'd probably spend more on a saturday night out!
Wiring/connectors not covered by 3rd year warranty.
Soldering! cutting airbag wiring! some of you are risking your & other passengers lives by doing this.NO manufacturer endorses this kind of practise & would insist on a new loom being fitted if this was ever done at a dealership.
Go back to dealer,explain this fault keeps re-occuring and a discount would be a kind gesture & would keep you using the dealership.After all £30-40 to fix airbag system....you'd probably spend more on a saturday night out!
Wiring/connectors not covered by 3rd year warranty.
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Isn't a life saving piece of safety equipment like an airbag that is unreliable through poor quality contacts and connectors comprising driver and passenger safety more?
Customers paying for "repairs" to unreliable safety systems that have not been properly quality tested just shouldn't be happening. They aren't "repairs" but modifications to substandard systems that weren't properly tested in the first place. Bravos suffered from spurious air bag warnings 8 years ago, it shouldn't still be happening now.
Unreliable life saving safety systems are the worst. It's better not to have it fitted at all than to not know whether it's going to work when needed.
Isn't a life saving piece of safety equipment like an airbag that is unreliable through poor quality contacts and connectors comprising driver and passenger safety more?
Customers paying for "repairs" to unreliable safety systems that have not been properly quality tested just shouldn't be happening. They aren't "repairs" but modifications to substandard systems that weren't properly tested in the first place. Bravos suffered from spurious air bag warnings 8 years ago, it shouldn't still be happening now.
Unreliable life saving safety systems are the worst. It's better not to have it fitted at all than to not know whether it's going to work when needed.
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I totally agree, airbag systems should never have any soldering work done on them. Fiat have sent out a service news to all dealers stating that the ONLY people to work on airbags are Dealer Expert Technicians. Soldering wiring under seats is highly dangerous and should not be carried out.
I totally agree, airbag systems should never have any soldering work done on them. Fiat have sent out a service news to all dealers stating that the ONLY people to work on airbags are Dealer Expert Technicians. Soldering wiring under seats is highly dangerous and should not be carried out.
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Yes I agree too. If something's up with the airbag system then get it fixed by someone qualified to repair it.
My point was just why is the air bag system so unreliable when it's supposed to be life saving equipment. Bravos are infamous for airbag lights (only they lock on and can only be reset by the dealer) and now we we see Stilos have more faults than should be happening. Time moves on but technology apparently has not.
It's not just Fiats, a huge range of car manufacturers suffer from eroneous air bag warning lights so what is it that causes it? Is it the low voltages and therefore problems with the slightest increase in resisitance? Are the electrical connectors just not a capable of reliably carrying the low voltages?
Yes I agree too. If something's up with the airbag system then get it fixed by someone qualified to repair it.
My point was just why is the air bag system so unreliable when it's supposed to be life saving equipment. Bravos are infamous for airbag lights (only they lock on and can only be reset by the dealer) and now we we see Stilos have more faults than should be happening. Time moves on but technology apparently has not.
It's not just Fiats, a huge range of car manufacturers suffer from eroneous air bag warning lights so what is it that causes it? Is it the low voltages and therefore problems with the slightest increase in resisitance? Are the electrical connectors just not a capable of reliably carrying the low voltages?
