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Re: 1993 Fiat Panda Fizz "Pandino"

I'll get around to swapping the seals tomorrow, hopefully.

Just attached an image of a potential water leak culprit. I left the car for a while when it was raining. While I found no sign of water inside the car this time, I did see a few water drops from here on the driver's door seal. Will have to look into it some more tomorrow as well. Could need a new seal, or at least some sealant/silicon to stop water coming in from there? We'll see
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Re: 1993 Fiat Panda Fizz "Pandino"

Left my Panda overnight and I've got some more water now. Here are the pictures of the back, I put the seats up as it felt very slightly damp on either side of the rear seat, it looks like there's some sort of oil under the seat, I'm not sure how this one is happening... also attached a picture of some tape type stuff over some holes under the carpet. Not sure if that has to do with anything, probably not. A little wet near the rear of the seat (underneath rear, nothing on top of seat) too, near to where it joins up with the boot, but the rest of the boot is bone dry.
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Continuing on from the last post (pictures of rear above), here are pictures from the front as water has got in by the driver's seat again. I'm suspecting the door seal, as the windscreen seal looks good. Any suggestions? Going to have to look at it some more, going to be trial and error I think!
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Re: 1993 Fiat Panda Fizz "Pandino"

[QUOTE=FDNY21;4190138]Continuing on from the last post (pictures of rear above), here are pictures from the front as water has got in by the driver's seat again.QUOTE]

Does the window/door top frame seats tight against the A-pillar and roof?
Have you got one key for all doors/ ignition? or different?


Rather than spending on door seals if you can find any, you can buy a length of neoprene cord 4-6mm dia and thread it inside the seal section.
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Does the window/door top frame seats tight against the A-pillar and roof?
Have you got one key for all doors/ ignition? or different?


Rather than spending on door seals if you can find any, you can buy a length of neoprene cord 4-6mm dia and thread it inside the seal section.
Ding ding ding. Window/door top frame does NOT sit tight against the seals on the roof, but it does start to line up when it's going down the A-pillar... it's almost as if the door is not on properly. At the bottom, I can see marks where the door grinds slightly on top of the top of the floor, and it's a harder door to shut than the passenger one.

Take a look at the pictures, you can see the seal isn't pressed by the door, and that the door (only at the top) isn't actually in line with the car at all. That's really odd. Might need to take it off and put it back on right? Guess this still doesn't explain the rear but I've got some roll in the back to see if it's the plastic covers next to each seat letting in the water... we'll see on that one.
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Re: 1993 Fiat Panda Fizz "Pandino"

Back in the day car theives used to bend flimsy doors to break in to cars... could be that this has happenned to yours?

Maybe a body shop could have a go at it for you?
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Back in the day car theives used to bend flimsy doors to break in to cars... could be that this has happenned to yours?

Maybe a body shop could have a go at it for you?
It's never been mentioned, so I'm not sure... I'm not sure if it's genuinely bent, or if the door is not quite in the right place.

Perhaps that's what I'll have to do, but I don't know of a trusted body shop near me so I'll have to look into it. Hopefully it's not too hard to rectify and doesn't cost too much if I do have to go to a place Was hoping to fix it myself if possible but I'm not too sure how to go about this yet!
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Re: 1993 Fiat Panda Fizz "Pandino"

Is that photo showing doors fully closed? Or just on first notch? Try to adjust the door lock pin at B pillar. Ring spanner 19mm iirc and you're sorted.
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Is that photo showing doors fully closed? Or just on first notch? Try to adjust the door lock pin at B pillar. Ring spanner 19mm iirc. If the freme was bent, you can redo that by yourself.
That's all the way... does seem odd. I'll have to try that, but the rest of the door lines up, so maybe it's just the top that's bent, or maybe the whole door is slightly off. If it's off then maybe the pin will help, but if it's bent, I'm not sure how I'd go about doing it...
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Is that photo showing doors fully closed? Or just on first notch? Try to adjust the door lock pin at B pillar. Ring spanner 19mm iirc and you're sorted.
Woops, forgot to mention. I have 1 key for all doors and boot, and a separate key for the petrol cap.
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but the rest of the door lines up, so maybe it's just the top that's bent, or maybe the whole door is slightly off. If it's off then maybe the pin will help, but if it's bent, I'm not sure how I'd go about doing it...
1. Go for short ride,
2. Have a wood piece and old coat with you.
3. Find a suitable parking post or other object not higher that lower window edge.
4. Reverse in next to the post/ object with open doors.
5. Prise the doors against post, used wood piece between.
6. lower the glasss fully down.
7. Gently pull or push the frame, use few places rather than just one.
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Quote Originally Posted by kolza View Post
1. Go for short ride,
2. Have a wood piece and old coat with you.
3. Find a suitable parking post or other object not higher that lower window edge.
4. Reverse in next to the post/ object with open doors.
5. Prise the doors against post, used wood piece between.
6. lower the glasss fully down.
7. Gently pull or push the frame, use few places rather than just one.
That's an interesting one, will have to try it if it's a bent door. Hopefully the glass still fits in if I do that eh Only problem I have with it is part 1. I can't go for a short ride because I don't have tax/insurance, waiting on the V5 and was going to SORN it as I'm going away for a week soon... but I'll keep it in mind for when I can do it. Or, I'll have to improvise. We'll see what happens Cheers kolza!
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Quote Originally Posted by kolza View Post
1. Go for short ride,
2. Have a wood piece and old coat with you.
3. Find a suitable parking post or other object not higher that lower window edge.
4. Reverse in next to the post/ object with open doors.
5. Prise the doors against post, used wood piece between.
6. lower the glasss fully down.
7. Gently pull or push the frame, use few places rather than just one.
Pretty sure it's bent as opposed to the lock, just from looking at it. We opened the door, put a couple of posts behind it with a pillow in between, and pulled/pushed the top half with the window down.

I think it worked slightly, but it's not perfect. The passenger door is flush with the bodywork, but the driver door is still sticking out a little bit. It decided to rain so we closed the door and saw that it was indeed dripping in slowly from the top there. Put a temporary seal in overnight, will try and bend it some more later on! Hopefully it works!
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The temporary seal has worked. ZERO water in the front (so far), so when I get around to it, I'll continue bending the door until it presses up firmly against that seal I cleaned out the rear under the seats as it was still oily from before. Now it's dry, I'll be able to see if anything is getting in there after some rain.

In other news, the V5 has now come through, so the vehicle is going to be going SORN (only for a short while). With the V5 came another nice little package, in the form of this Panda 1000 badge... handy little 10% off code too, so I might buy a Fiat badge for the rear of the car! I think I'll leave the front one as is, but the ones on the back are knackered - may even treat it to a brand new Fire badge soon, too...
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Hasn't anyone told you that it is the 'RUST'ic charm of the Panda that people get attached to.

Replace everything with new and then what do you do at the weekend?

If the girlfriend or wife shouts at you to go shopping, you'll have no excuse as you will have no welding, cleaning, fettling or tinkering to do.

Keep it rusty and keep sane.

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