Just the post Kritip put up in this enormous thread.
Right, I now have the calipers
As per the front PGT calipers having two styles 94-97 and 97-99 and those calipers being available on a whole bunch of cars, not just PGT, the same is true from the rears, there are 3 versions though!
The rear calipers we are interested in, on the PGT had variations from 94-97 and 97-99.
There was also an old style that was also used on the 227mm discs, don't bother with this imho. It was used on the PGT up until 02/94 and many of the older Uno Turbo's etc. If the car listed in the below quote is pre 94, then it is probably used in a 227mm application. They still take the same pad though, and should fit, even with a 240mm disc, but will need a different mounting bracket . Getting new stock is VERY tricky and a recon may also be hard to get done, and with a caliper of that age, you'd be mad not to get recon'd...just not worth the risk/hassle!
The two older (227mm/240mm) style calipers take these pads:
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The cars that take this pad are:
Code:
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.4 (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.6 (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.7 16v (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.9 TD (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.4 (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.6 (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.7 16v (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.9 TD (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 1.8 TS (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 1.9 TD (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 2.0 TS (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 2.5 V6 (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.5 (ABS) (90-93)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.7 (90-93)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.7 16v (90-94)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.7 4WD (90-94)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 Turbo (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 Turbo (95-97)
FIAT / Barchetta / 1.8 (95-99)
FIAT / Brava/Bravo / 2.0 (95-96)
FIAT / Coupe / 2.0 16v (95-96)
FIAT / Coupe / 2.0 16v (95-96)
FIAT / Marea / 1.8 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea / 2.0 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea / 2.4 TD (96-97)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 1.8 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.0 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.4 TD (96-97)
FIAT / Punto / 1.4 Turbo (94-97)
FIAT / Punto / 1.6 (95-97)
FIAT / Punto / 1.7 TD (94-99)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.6 (ABS) (90-96)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.8 (ABS) (90-92)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.9 D (ABS) (90-96)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.9 TD (ABS) (90-96)
FIAT / Tempra / 2.0 (90-96)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.4 (ABS) (88-96)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.6 (ABS) (88-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.8 (88-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.8 16v (92-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.9 TD (ABS) (88-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 2.0 (88-96)
FIAT / Tipo / 2.0 16v (92-95)
FIAT / Uno / 1.1 Selecta (90-94)
FIAT / Uno / 1.3 Turbo (85-89)
FIAT / Uno / 1.4 Selecta (90-94)
FIAT / Uno / 1.4 Turbo (90-94)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.6 (90-94)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.6 (96-99)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.8 (90-95)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.8 (96-99)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.9 TD (90-96)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.9 TD (96-99)
LANCIA / Dedra / 2.0 (90-94)
LANCIA / Dedra / 2.0 (96-99)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.6 (93-97)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 (94-97)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.9 TD (94-96)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.9 TD (95-96)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.9 TD (96-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (93-94)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (94-95)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (94-96)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 Turbo (93-96)
LANCIA / Y10 / 1.1 Turbo (85-89)
So it stands to reason, that all of these cars can be used for the rear calipers if you can source them. Best to check the cars listed take a 240mm 11mm disc. Ignore bolt hole numbers etc, your cento front discs will fit and have 4 holes.
These older style caliper are all the same variety, cast iron. There are no variations in caliper material, design etc. They are all also made originally by Girling. There may be a different style on some of the very early 227mm caliper designs, I haven't seen any, and its doubtful anyone else will, unless its a runner, as they have probably been cubed I know a few people here run them though, so maybe they can confirm what they look like?
These style calipers looks like the following. The differences to note between the newer version are;
cast only
the pad design
the handbrake mechanism is kind of on the top
the "ribs" do not extend over the top of the caliper where you would look down and see the disc edge when fitted.
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The newer style of the PGT 97-99 take a different pad, and yes, you guessed it, these calipers are also found on a whole range of cars.
Here's the newer pad design that these calipers take;
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and here are two of the calipers;
Click image for larger version Name: 22289.jpg Views: 29 Size: 37.5 KB ID: 31629 Click image for larger version Name: 26501.jpg Views: 30 Size: 37.0 KB ID: 31630
Why, those two look exactly the same except the body of one is cast iron, and the other is alloy
The alloy caliper are more expensive, lighter, less prone to piston corrosion and sticking, but as far as I can see, there are no set dates as too what car takes what, its hit and miss, but I'd recommend the alloy over the cast if you can source them.
Distinguishing features between these and the older style are;
the "ribs" run over the length of the caliper to aid cooling
they come in cast iron or alloy
they take the newer pad design
the handbrake mechanism has been "improved" and now sits on the end of the caliper, not on top
What your all wanting to know is what cars can i find these on? see below:
Code:
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.4 (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.6 (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.6 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.7 16v (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.8 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.9 TD (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 2.0 (95-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.4 (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.6 (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.6 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.7 16v (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.8 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.9 TD (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 2.0 (95-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 (96-)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 Turbo (97-)
ALFA ROMEO / Spider / 2.0 TS (95-)
ALFA ROMEO / Spider / 2.0 Turbo (97-)
FIAT / Barchetta / 1.8 (99-)
FIAT / Brava/Bravo / 2.0 (97-2002)
FIAT / Coupe / 2.0 20v (96-2000)
FIAT / Marea / 1.8 (97-2000)
FIAT / Marea / 2.0 (97-2002)
FIAT / Marea / 2.4 TD (97-2000)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 1.8 (97-2001)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.0 (97-2001)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.4 TD (97-2001)
FIAT / Punto / 1.4 Turbo (97-99)
FIAT / Punto / 1.6 (97-99)
FIAT / Punto / 1.7 TD (97-99)
FIAT / Punto / 1.7 TD (97-99)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.6 (97-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 (97-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 (97-99)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 LS (98-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (96-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (96-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 Turbo (96-2000)
All these calipers take the 240mm disc, and as they are newer are less likly to need a recon, but as they are newer and on less cars, a bit harder to source.
Now, I've just covered the PGT and its style calipers, but don't think thats all you can fit. There are newer style pads discs and calipers, such as those on the panda 100hp and others, but i know very little about them, disc size etc. so don't want to comment
It should be noted that ALL the calipers and discs I've talked about, will fit under 13" rims....unlike some options for up front which require 14"
Second hand costs for all these calipers are about £20-£40 each depending on the yard. "new" which are almost always recons, require the old calipers back, or you pay and additional surcharge of about £30..."new" calipers minus the surcharge are about £180-£260 depending which ones you get, add about another £60 if you don't have the old ones.
Any questions or errors just shout If this info is really useful, maybe it could be made sticky?
Cheers,
Kristian
Right, I now have the calipers
As per the front PGT calipers having two styles 94-97 and 97-99 and those calipers being available on a whole bunch of cars, not just PGT, the same is true from the rears, there are 3 versions though!
The rear calipers we are interested in, on the PGT had variations from 94-97 and 97-99.
There was also an old style that was also used on the 227mm discs, don't bother with this imho. It was used on the PGT up until 02/94 and many of the older Uno Turbo's etc. If the car listed in the below quote is pre 94, then it is probably used in a 227mm application. They still take the same pad though, and should fit, even with a 240mm disc, but will need a different mounting bracket . Getting new stock is VERY tricky and a recon may also be hard to get done, and with a caliper of that age, you'd be mad not to get recon'd...just not worth the risk/hassle!
The two older (227mm/240mm) style calipers take these pads:
Click image for larger version Name: DP596.jpg Views: 6 Size: 42.3 KB ID: 31623
The cars that take this pad are:
Code:
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.4 (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.6 (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.7 16v (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.9 TD (94-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.4 (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.6 (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.7 16v (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.9 TD (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 1.8 TS (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 1.9 TD (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 2.0 TS (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 155 / 2.5 V6 (92-97)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.5 (ABS) (90-93)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.7 (90-93)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.7 16v (90-94)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 33 / 1.7 4WD (90-94)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 Turbo (95-96)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 Turbo (95-97)
FIAT / Barchetta / 1.8 (95-99)
FIAT / Brava/Bravo / 2.0 (95-96)
FIAT / Coupe / 2.0 16v (95-96)
FIAT / Coupe / 2.0 16v (95-96)
FIAT / Marea / 1.8 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea / 2.0 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea / 2.4 TD (96-97)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 1.8 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.0 (96-97)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.4 TD (96-97)
FIAT / Punto / 1.4 Turbo (94-97)
FIAT / Punto / 1.6 (95-97)
FIAT / Punto / 1.7 TD (94-99)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.6 (ABS) (90-96)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.8 (ABS) (90-92)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.9 D (ABS) (90-96)
FIAT / Tempra / 1.9 TD (ABS) (90-96)
FIAT / Tempra / 2.0 (90-96)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.4 (ABS) (88-96)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.6 (ABS) (88-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.8 (88-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.8 16v (92-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 1.9 TD (ABS) (88-95)
FIAT / Tipo / 2.0 (88-96)
FIAT / Tipo / 2.0 16v (92-95)
FIAT / Uno / 1.1 Selecta (90-94)
FIAT / Uno / 1.3 Turbo (85-89)
FIAT / Uno / 1.4 Selecta (90-94)
FIAT / Uno / 1.4 Turbo (90-94)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.6 (90-94)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.6 (96-99)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.8 (90-95)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.8 (96-99)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.9 TD (90-96)
LANCIA / Dedra / 1.9 TD (96-99)
LANCIA / Dedra / 2.0 (90-94)
LANCIA / Dedra / 2.0 (96-99)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.6 (93-97)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 (94-97)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.9 TD (94-96)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.9 TD (95-96)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.9 TD (96-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (93-94)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (94-95)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (94-96)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 Turbo (93-96)
LANCIA / Y10 / 1.1 Turbo (85-89)
So it stands to reason, that all of these cars can be used for the rear calipers if you can source them. Best to check the cars listed take a 240mm 11mm disc. Ignore bolt hole numbers etc, your cento front discs will fit and have 4 holes.
These older style caliper are all the same variety, cast iron. There are no variations in caliper material, design etc. They are all also made originally by Girling. There may be a different style on some of the very early 227mm caliper designs, I haven't seen any, and its doubtful anyone else will, unless its a runner, as they have probably been cubed I know a few people here run them though, so maybe they can confirm what they look like?
These style calipers looks like the following. The differences to note between the newer version are;
cast only
the pad design
the handbrake mechanism is kind of on the top
the "ribs" do not extend over the top of the caliper where you would look down and see the disc edge when fitted.
Click image for larger version Name: 18501.jpg Views: 28 Size: 45.3 KB ID: 31624
The newer style of the PGT 97-99 take a different pad, and yes, you guessed it, these calipers are also found on a whole range of cars.
Here's the newer pad design that these calipers take;
Click image for larger version Name: DP1214.jpg Views: 10 Size: 44.8 KB ID: 31628
and here are two of the calipers;
Click image for larger version Name: 22289.jpg Views: 29 Size: 37.5 KB ID: 31629 Click image for larger version Name: 26501.jpg Views: 30 Size: 37.0 KB ID: 31630
Why, those two look exactly the same except the body of one is cast iron, and the other is alloy
The alloy caliper are more expensive, lighter, less prone to piston corrosion and sticking, but as far as I can see, there are no set dates as too what car takes what, its hit and miss, but I'd recommend the alloy over the cast if you can source them.
Distinguishing features between these and the older style are;
the "ribs" run over the length of the caliper to aid cooling
they come in cast iron or alloy
they take the newer pad design
the handbrake mechanism has been "improved" and now sits on the end of the caliper, not on top
What your all wanting to know is what cars can i find these on? see below:
Code:
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.4 (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.6 (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.6 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.7 16v (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.8 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 1.9 TD (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 145 / 2.0 (95-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.4 (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.6 (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.6 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.7 16v (96-98)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.8 TS (97-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 1.9 TD (96-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / Alfa 146 / 2.0 (95-2001)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 (96-)
ALFA ROMEO / GTV / 2.0 Turbo (97-)
ALFA ROMEO / Spider / 2.0 TS (95-)
ALFA ROMEO / Spider / 2.0 Turbo (97-)
FIAT / Barchetta / 1.8 (99-)
FIAT / Brava/Bravo / 2.0 (97-2002)
FIAT / Coupe / 2.0 20v (96-2000)
FIAT / Marea / 1.8 (97-2000)
FIAT / Marea / 2.0 (97-2002)
FIAT / Marea / 2.4 TD (97-2000)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 1.8 (97-2001)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.0 (97-2001)
FIAT / Marea Weekend / 2.4 TD (97-2001)
FIAT / Punto / 1.4 Turbo (97-99)
FIAT / Punto / 1.6 (97-99)
FIAT / Punto / 1.7 TD (97-99)
FIAT / Punto / 1.7 TD (97-99)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.6 (97-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 (97-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 (97-99)
LANCIA / Delta / 1.8 LS (98-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (96-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 (96-2000)
LANCIA / Delta / 2.0 Turbo (96-2000)
All these calipers take the 240mm disc, and as they are newer are less likly to need a recon, but as they are newer and on less cars, a bit harder to source.
Now, I've just covered the PGT and its style calipers, but don't think thats all you can fit. There are newer style pads discs and calipers, such as those on the panda 100hp and others, but i know very little about them, disc size etc. so don't want to comment
It should be noted that ALL the calipers and discs I've talked about, will fit under 13" rims....unlike some options for up front which require 14"
Second hand costs for all these calipers are about £20-£40 each depending on the yard. "new" which are almost always recons, require the old calipers back, or you pay and additional surcharge of about £30..."new" calipers minus the surcharge are about £180-£260 depending which ones you get, add about another £60 if you don't have the old ones.
Any questions or errors just shout If this info is really useful, maybe it could be made sticky?
Cheers,
Kristian
