SBQ said:

Did you settle on using the same 504091563 oil filter? Done an oil change 2 months ago (which used the Iveco oil filter) have noticed still plenty of life in the oil (after 15,000kms) - not as thick as the prior oil change when using the black Fiat filter. Maybe the change in oil brand was a factor? (Total C2 ACEA) - prior was Fiat Selenia WR C2.

Can anyone share what brand / type of oil they are using in their Fiat Ducato motors?

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Any 5W/30 DPF compliant oil is usable. I use Shell Helix Ultra 5W/40 - the grade specified for use with DPF. There is no detriment to the engine even if using non-compliant DPF oil. The only detriment is to the DPF itself. I refuse to pay the extortionate prices charged by Fiat for their oil and filters. Plenty of good filters and oils out there.

Ian.

oigle: Shell Helix is marketed in NZ where I am but not the exact spec. 5W40 isn't quite the same as 5W30 ? Their ACEA C3 rated oil HX7 again isn't the same as ACEA C2. Even worse, the price is not much cheaper than buying the Selenia WR oil from the Fiat dealer.

What does Iveco use for their fleet of diesel trucks? The same Selenia oil? I should ask as that's where I get my oil filters as i'm not trusting to the black oil filters from the Fiat dealer.

I'm quite happy with the Total Quartz ACEA C2 oil which I buy in 20L.

SBQ said:

oigle: Shell Helix is marketed in NZ where I am but not the exact spec. 5W40 isn't quite the same as 5W30 ? Their ACEA C3 rated oil HX7 again isn't the same as ACEA C2.

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Totaly different.

This seems to be the Shell equivalent for motors fitted with dpf.
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-79221-...l-af-l-5w-30-synthetic-diesel-engine-oil.aspx
My service man supplies it when required here in Oz.

One can get carried away with manufacturers specifying special oils of their own brand. Check with your local Shell supplier for their approved equivalent.
Ian.

Just as a follow up, I approached my service man today and asked him for the full specs of the oil he used in my Fiat.
The details are Shell Helix Ultra 5W/30 ECT C3.
He assures me it fully complies with requirements.

Ian.

Ok i'm bringing this thread back up. What are people using now for oil filters brand wise?

The local Supercheap auto shop has cheap filters that look pretty much the same as the Ryco brand (Australian).


https://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/search?q=Z516&lang=en_NZ


Z516 is their cross references for Fiat Ducato 2.3L however, when I brought in my original Iveco oil filter, the holes were way too small and closer to the shaft. I compared to Iveco 504091563 and 2995811 which has 6 holes.

Top view: Left filter is Iveco OEM brand CNH - note holes are towards edge, slightly smaller. Far right is original 1st oil filter from new. Middle is van's 2nd oil change with part# 2995811 (note also the CNH filter uses same part#).



Note Iveco part# middle and left are the same. Part # on right i've been told has been discontinued / obsolete. All have the same height.




Local parts shop cross Ryco:



The Ryco is MUCH taller and uncertain on compatibility. It seems more suited for the older Fiat Ducatos X250 engines JTD? The auto parts shop also has 2 other filters of the same i) SCA for $15 NZD and the Ryco 'synthetic oil performance' for $46 NZD. All 3 of these filters have 8 small hole diameter but appear to be closer to the centre.

The holes around the centre point allow unfiltered oil from the oil pump into the oil filter , filtered oil leaves via the central hole.

When you next have a filter removed from the engine look at where the filter mounts and decide if the location of the filter holes is critical.

I hope this is helpful.

J

jackwhoo: Thanks for the tip. I'm not looking to do the oil change until later in the year but will see where the filtered holes line up.

What I don't understand is why such a huge variance in design? I have a 2006 Yaris and have used various different oil filters (cheap ones to expensive full synthetic ones) - they all have holes of same size and placement.

The CNH oil filter was $37 NZD which was cheaper than what the local Fiat dealer selling the black ones (similar to the Ryco filter above).

Maybe i'm being too picky? Also are oil filters with an 'anti-drain back' valve better for the Ducato?

Anti drain back is always good. Very important if filter is mounted vertically with mount at bottom. Lots of rattles otherwise when starting.