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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

I'd have to agree that these EGR valves are proving to be more troublesome on the newer cars than previous ones. Never had a problem with the EGR on the old JTDs, but come the multijets both me and my wife's multijet engined cars have had the EGR stick.
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

Where can u pick one of this EGR valves? Any internet sites that sell this stuff?
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

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Basically the idea behind it is to reduce the average CO2 emissions per car of the Fiat Group, to comply with EU regs. It doesn't really serve a purpose in the car.
Thanks but i'm aware of the operations of a EGR and its primary use is to reduce NOX gasses, blanking of a EGR will just result in a increase of unburnt NOX gasses which as you are no doubt aware is extremely harmful.

Personally I think the police (as they do in the states) should check the EOBD systems on a regular basis after all we all breathe the same air.....dont we?
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Thanks but i'm aware of the operations of a EGR and its primary use is to reduce NOX gasses, blanking of a EGR will just result in a increase of unburnt NOX gasses which as you are no doubt aware is extremely harmful.

Personally I think the police (as they do in the states) should check the EOBD systems on a regular basis after all we all breathe the same air.....dont we?
Fair point mate, it will increase NOX emissions and yes they are harmful. Unfortunately the police don't have the time or resources to emissions-check vehicles on the road, as I think you'd find a lot would probably fail, especially older cars. Plus the amount of taxis I see puffing out obscene amounts of soot is a joke. But in my mind, blanking off an EGR valve is no worse than buying a hot petrol version anyway, we all know how much emissions they give off, or having your diesel remapped to be a tyre-squealing smoke monster. A blanked off EGR valve on a healthy car doing 50mpg is better than a stuck open one on a gutless and frankly dangerous one, which'll only do 30mpg to boot. Anyway its a bit of a moot point as I don't even own a diesel, well other than a V-reg Mondeo (EGR system working fine after 152k miles)..

Anyway, here's a nice little guide from the Vauxhall boys on fixing the 1.9 JTD EGR valve problem, hope it comes in handy for some of you:

http://www.vectra-c.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45867
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

Hi there, just thought I'd have a check on your forum to see if you lot have been having the same problem... I've just taken my Astra 1.9 (150) to the dealers to get them to take a look... it's done 42k and is 2months out of the three year warranty.

The car has been great for the year or so we've owned it, but in the last week, it felt like really bad turbo lag and one day, I started her up and she was struggling to find an idle rev and belching out plumes of smoke... eventually got away (once I put my foot down and above 3000rpm, she was off like a trooper again)...

I first took it to my local mechanic who came up with the P2279 fault code (no idea if it is the same for Fiats/Alfas) and as he had no idea what this meant he contacted Vauxhall who told him it would be 5hrs of labour and over 400 of parts (egr, inlet manifold, etc, etc)... he just handed back the keys and said that he wouldn't charge as I was gonna get a huge bill from VX!

Took it to VX yesterday and after an hour, they rang me up and said that it just needed a new egr and that VX would pay 70% of parts and fitting labour... still paying full whack for the hour of diagnosis (which included telling me I need new tyres and brake pads... it's just had a service and I know! stop looking at the rest of the car and concentrate on the job at hand! hmph!) Anyway, it's coming to around 200 with the VX warranty on new parts.

If they were going to charge me the ridiculous amount (ie nearly 1000), I'd have done it myself as the Astra owners network forum say it is a 25min job for even an idiot with cars () and a new egr on ebay can be got pretty cheaply... I saw one for 65. I'm tempted to do the blanking thing though... I noticed somewhere on one of the VX forums that Fiat do a special gasket for these valves which are around 90% blanked (ie have a smal hole drilled in the centre, rather than just the surround)... anyone got any experience with these?

In case anyone is interested in the Astra forums take on this problem: http://www.astraownersnetwork.co.uk/...ad.php?t=65838
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

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... I noticed somewhere on one of the VX forums that Fiat do a special gasket for these valves which are around 90% blanked (ie have a smal hole drilled in the centre, rather than just the surround)... anyone got any experience with these?
Take a look in Croma section. I had a Vauxhall unit fitted to mine.

Take care as the EGRs & gaskets are different for 8v & 16v engines.
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

mine went at about 23k/just over 2 years old.... id been driving like a granny for a few thousand miles before that to eek every bit of economy out... averaging 55+mpg each tank...

now i just drive it normall and dont see any less then 51mpg

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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

Mine went at 60k, didn't noticed any drop of performance, just a check engine light on the dash, went to the dealer and they said the EGR valve need to be replace, all FOC, well fair enough apart from I have to drive the 1.2 GP for a week (some other job need to be done and waitiing for parts.) got the car back after a week and WTH!!! car feels like a rocket!!! I thought Fiat remapped my car for me!!! anyway, i'm sure it was a combination of new EGR valve and I have been driving the under-power 1.2 GP for so long!!!
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

Almost three years old - 65k miles - Fault light on Dash - Dealer says 'New EGR Valve needed', OK says I, FOC-Warranty ?? - NO says dealer too many miles - 200 Please... !!!
Looks like the three year warranty advertised by Fiat has a Caveat !!!
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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

My 08 plate 1.9 120 active sport has just done 18k (I got it Jan with 13k on) and EGR hasn't gone yet.
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I've got an 8v 1.9 diesel Bravo. The 1st time the EGR valve went on it was just before xmas and the job cost me over 200 I think. It went again about 6 wks ago and was replaced by the dealer F.O.C. as the part was apparently under warranty.
Blow me if today it seems it's gone again. It's my wife's car but I happenned to be using it today. I first noticed there was a lack of umfff in 3rd & 4th gear around town this morning, then 1st & 2nd gears got worrying when pulling away from junctions.
Considering I'd been driving a leased new Kia Ceed 1.5 diesel yesterday (which went rather nicely back from Brum), my wife's car drove like a 1.0ltr!!
Then the problem seemed to clear itself. There were no warning lights to start with but this afternoon symptoms restarted and then I got the amber warning light and the 'check engine' message. The car goes back in tomorrow to the dealer; watch this space!
I should add that our car is an 08 plate with under 40k on the clock. Admittedly it mainly does town driving but they dont warn you about the problems with this valve when you buy them do they?
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I've got an 8v 1.9 diesel Bravo. The 1st time the EGR valve went on it was just before xmas and the job cost me over 200 I think. It went again about 6 wks ago and was replaced by the dealer F.O.C. as the part was apparently under warranty.
Blow me if today it seems it's gone again. It's my wife's car but I happenned to be using it today. I first noticed there was a lack of umfff in 3rd & 4th gear around town this morning, then 1st & 2nd gears got worrying when pulling away from junctions.
Considering I'd been driving a leased new Kia Ceed 1.5 diesel yesterday (which went rather nicely back from Brum), my wife's car drove like a 1.0ltr!!
Then the problem seemed to clear itself. There were no warning lights to start with but this afternoon symptoms restarted and then I got the amber warning light and the 'check engine' message. The car goes back in tomorrow to the dealer; watch this space!
I should add that our car is an 08 plate with under 40k on the clock. Admittedly it mainly does town driving but they dont warn you about the problems with this valve when you buy them do they?
You may as well look into blanking the EGR valve off. Plenty of kits around for it as town driving will just keep clogging it up. They don't warn you because it would put some people off buying the car and most of, if not all, modern diesels have them fitted. Just be sure to take it for a good long blast down a motorway every now and then to give it a clear out.
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Cheers Rigby. That may well be the way forward
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This is an interesting read all be it quickly skimmed over. I was wondering if this was the same issue on the 165 engine? I am going for a remap with DPF removal which also deletes the EGR so wil this solves or prevent any future issues?

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Re: EGR valves, has yours failed?

It should do yes, had my 165 re-mapped and DPF deleted recently but I still have my EGR as it isn't causing any problems.
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