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Re: MOT in UK

I think you have hit on the point that the MOT was supposed to sort out.. the Roadworthyness... and even with no MOT you could be facing a big problem if stopped or in an accident in a car deemed "Unroadworthy".
The same goes for telling your insurance about modifications, sure they accept them but in an accident they may deem them "Unroadworthy.. the onus is on the owner/driver to check them (assuming they are qualified to).
The problem is administering all of this will cost and.... there is only one place the money will come from..... it is always the thin end of the wedge.... and what would be the cost for an annual check.. probably the same as an MOT, then it would have to be done every 12 months and before the last check expired.. They could call it "Classic MOT".
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An MOT cert is only valid at the time of issue, if you get stopped a day or some months later or are in an accident and your vehicle is found not to be roadworthy you can't rely on your MOT to get you out of trouble. It has always been up to the individual to ensure their vehicle is roadworthy if they drive it on the public road, so there is no change. The good thing about the requirement of an MOT is that the not so responsible in our society have to get their vehicle up to a roadworthy state at least once a year. The government believe through statistical analysis vintage and classic car owners are responsible and they do keep their vehicles in a roadworthy state and see this as an opertunity to change the law. I believe we should keep the MOT for all as this will discourage less responsible people from acquiring classics to circumvent getting an MOTe Rey year.

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I think the MOT test is a little bit onerous on most people who drive their classic cars to a few shows and use it on the odd weekend in summer. Even if they have a bit of a blast and clock up the odd big run, from what I see, most of them are lucky to do 200 miles a year and 700 to 1000 at the most. At that rate, an MOT every ten years would be proportional to the testing frequency of the average modern car.
There must be very few people who are so mean or calculating, that they would forgo the comfort, convenience, reliability and safety built into modern cars, and would buy a very old banger to avoid the cost and procedure of an MOT.
I suggest that if you want to avoid unscrupulous advantage being taken of MOT exemption, if not declared SORN, cars should be tested before they change ownership and must pass that test before being driven in new hands. There really should be a check when they are put back on the road having been SORN or unregistered for any length of time, such as after being restored.
Once an older car has passed into settled, long-term ownership, I find it hard to believe that it is possible for it to be used regularly without this forcing the owner to make a frequent input of maintenance and repair.
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I have just looked at the MoT history of one of my moderns. It has down 2742 miles since August 2011. Can I claim an MoT every 10 years?
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I understand where you are coming from but older cars do rust and can therefore have structural problems, compared with modern vehicles. If you only use your vehicle for 200 miles a year where is the difference between this and the car being SORN for a few months. People do drive their vehicles without insurance and MOT's therefore some may see it advantageous to drive a vehicle that does not require any official checks to see if it is roadworthy. I find this subject very interesting and wait with interest at how and what the governments final decision is.

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I have just looked at the MoT history of one of my moderns. It has down 2742 miles since August 2011. Can I claim an MoT every 10 years?
Yes you can; I suppose that's what comes of having a private jet, as you do.....and Murf should have one every six months!
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People do drive their vehicles without insurance and MOT's

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There is a wide range of vehicles which don't need an MOT...most of those great clunking farm vehicles for instance. There are several Scottish Islands where no MOT is required for HGVs registered there and they are still allowed to drive on the mainland to collect and return goods.

When I bought my van, (which you may know is now in a million bits being welded up), it had been taken for a pre-MOT, which had produced a very long list of problems but just three areas of corrosion that mattered. In fact it was actually in a very dangerous condition. Somehow it had achieved an MOT for several years when I can't believe it reall deserved one.
Once the condition of a car has slipped that much, if you have the cheek to submit it for examination then you will ususally get a limited and achievable set of repairs needed to be done, which will let you pass it on to someone else or cobble along until the next year.
I'm sure minds immeasurably superior to my own are chewing over these conundrums as we speak and and from historical experience I do think they will introduce the exemption.
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Well for one find MOTs tedious for a classic that I insure for 3000 miles and because of other commitments drive for 250...
but I do agree that there needs to be some test, annually is not really the best idea, perhaps every 3-5 years a compulsory test, I thought of millage.... but if say it was every 5000 miles and you have your car for 10 years but some years don't drive it, that test would be once every 10 years... Cover is no difference in price to off road cover.. so insured...
the fixed every July 25th for me is just too rigid....
What about some flexible scheme.. all info is now centrally located, they can tell if it is Sorn, Insured or even say tested... a program could work all this out...
So a system that says you car must be compulsory tested every 3-5 years or based on mileage.... Changing owners should not matter it is the car...
So if you drive 1000 mile a year it is tested every 3-5 years
if you drive 5000 miles it need to be tested if that is 1 year or 3 years...
As mileage is recorded at test stations...
But with a bit of leeway on the numbers for instance if you are at 4,800 miles and drive a long distance then you should have it tested before 5,500
and if your 5 years are up.. you have a 3 month grace period.

Sounds complex but perhaps an owner could opt for one scheme or the other, it isn't that complex similar exists for VAT.
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I agree it would be nice if you did less that a thousand miles a year and only MoT'd every 3-5 years but I don't think it would work unfortunately.

I remember years ago my speedo cable broke on my 500 and I didn't replace it for months but still drove. That's in the days when it was my daily drive. It's not like you really need a speedo in a 500, it's a bit of a luxury.

It takes a minute to disconnect the speedo, so if you were getting a bit too close to 1000 miles in a year, you maybe be tempted to disconnect your speedo to save the 50 a year or whatever it is? For an MoT.

I can't see them changing anything, it's just going to be too complicated to administer.

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I can't see them changing anything, it's just going to be too complicated to administer.
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Probably correct, and I still get my Pre 60 cars checked... every now and then...
Tiz nice though for the common man to ponder what it would be like if people who things actually affected was allowed a real input into the laws and systems...
Ahh yes that's what we elect..... "Civil Servants for ".. errr I have I missed something there...
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Probably correct, and I still get my Pre 60 cars checked... every now and then...
Tiz nice though for the common man to ponder what it would be like if people who things actually affected was allowed a real input into the laws and systems...
Ahh yes that's what we elect..... "Civil Servants for ".. errr I have I missed something there...
No they will come out with the most outlandish and difficult system to administer, so that they can justify employing an extra 1000 civil servants to look after it. And at the same time totally confuse us all!!

I hope there aren't any civil servants on here.
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ohhh and it would take years to implement..

they would need a
Think tank for the ideas...
Working Party to decide how it would be set up...
then a Steering Group to decide who would manage it
Then a feasibility study.. to see if it would work
the a Pilot proposal to see if they could guess the results before they started..
Then it would all be put on hold for a while because of the lack of funding..

and not restarted till a Prius was a Classic and you have to pay 5 per mile on the pay per drive scheme introduced to combat congestion...

So lets can it and carry on as we are...
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Tiz nice though for the common man to ponder what it would be like if people who things actually affected was allowed a real input into the laws and systems...
They did allow us mortals a five week window in which to make our views known...I don't think they wanted too many of them.

In the documents it states that 7% of MOT exempt vehicles were submitted for a voluntary MOT in 2014-2015; this is a much lower number than the internet twitter before the start of exemption would have made me expect.

It also sadly shows that out of a total number 1775 deaths relating to vehicle use on the roads in 2014, three of those involved cars from the era of the manufacture of the 500.

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It also sadly shows that out of a total number 1775 deaths relating to vehicle use on the roads in 2014, three of those involved cars from the era of the manufacture of the 500.
that will be you boys with these modern 500s than can travel in excess of 50mph..
So Ban anything Post 1960 and we'll be much safer... that's the "Final Solution"
Now that's got a familiar ring to it......
where have I heard that before................

(ohh and they never wrote to me asking my opinion!!!)
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Only cars with an engine size of 499cc or 17bhp should be exempt! Anything bigger should be subject to a car scrappage scheme. There! I think we have sorted it!

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